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Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. DomA Send a noteboard - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM
I am no native speaker. I just checked. The word can be used as noun.

Yes. But mostly for animals. If you go around talking about a movie in German and all the "Weibchen" in it, I dare say people will call you a male chauvinist pig as well. :P


:D I'm with you.

I'm fairly averse to using it as a noun except for animals in English too, though I know that's all to do with how you use and don't use femelle (anymore) in French.

It would be extremely derogatory to use the word a noun for a human woman, except in a medical contex or as a short cut for "genre féminin". Another acceptable use would be for humour (non offensive gender humour, for e.g....)

I guess it has a lot to do with culture. Femelle for French speakers reduces the gender to its reproductive function and was mostly used in other contexts by mysogynists or men wishing to dismiss or attack the gender. Since feminism, the word is barely ever used except for animals and a proper scientific term (totally non offensive when used this way). A few decades ago however, a priest could for example (and if you go back far enough, often would) refer to Eve as a "femelle" (while referring to Adam as a Man), but nowadays a priest doing that would really ruffle his flock.

Anyway, culturally I still find it really weird and odd to use female as a noun for women in English when the context isn't scientific, and when others use it sounds derogative and rude (even aggressive), whatever the real intent. Based on the argument, it sounds like with English speakers the word has gained the same derogative stigma for some women, but it's not as widely established culturally/linguistically as it is in French. In French even the adjective could be derogative out of the scientific context, and féminin is much preferred for all the others.

Typically, mâle has none of those connotations. Using it over homme (man) for a human male is often even flattering. French can be incredibly sexist in some of its usages.

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The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review. - 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM 2457 Views
"Written by a female with femalist themes" - 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM 1207 Views
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No, it's totally off. *NM* - 03/04/2012 05:39:03 PM 1018 Views
fair enough. like I said, I haven't read it yet. *NM* - 03/04/2012 07:20:34 PM 958 Views
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Where do I start? - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM 1127 Views
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His racism point... - 04/04/2012 02:32:43 PM 934 Views
Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying - 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM 1022 Views
Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist? - 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM 1125 Views
Why would I consider it to be femenist? - 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM 1032 Views
I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical. - 04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM 1095 Views
Completely agree with your first paragraph - 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM 1100 Views
Re: Completely agree with your first paragraph - 04/04/2012 01:43:55 PM 1052 Views
Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out - 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM 1080 Views
Fair enough - 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM 1128 Views
Stop using female as a noun! - 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM 1014 Views
It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred - 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM 1069 Views
It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. - 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM 1021 Views
I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though - 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM 940 Views
Thank you! - 04/04/2012 08:03:38 PM 1053 Views
Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds. - 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM 1037 Views
I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over - 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM 1083 Views
You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM 993 Views
Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory - 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM 964 Views
Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM 1198 Views
so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM 939 Views
That's not what I said. - 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM 1108 Views
I'm going to have to just outright disagree with you then. *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:54:25 PM 1000 Views
If I wanted to be accusatory... - 04/04/2012 11:05:37 PM 1004 Views
Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears) - 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM 1040 Views
Nope. (edit) - 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM 1036 Views
Re: Nope. (edit) - 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM 1097 Views
"Female that"? That's even worse. - 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM 970 Views
Ok. - 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM 1281 Views
Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM 1039 Views
I think the language difference is really interesting. - 05/04/2012 03:13:03 PM 1064 Views
English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words - 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM 1124 Views
LOL! You don't say... - 06/04/2012 05:06:20 PM 1010 Views
LOL u so mad - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM 1016 Views
The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM 989 Views
My dear - 09/04/2012 01:07:34 PM 1053 Views
LOL - 09/04/2012 01:57:53 PM 873 Views
guess what, it is a noun. *NM* - 04/04/2012 07:26:39 PM 865 Views
That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. - 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM 1018 Views
well it's important that you say "female human" - 04/04/2012 09:28:45 PM 973 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. - 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM 972 Views
wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM 988 Views
No, I have issues with words that begin with the letter f. - 04/04/2012 11:09:45 PM 1015 Views
ooookay then. - 04/04/2012 11:11:23 PM 1066 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. - 05/04/2012 02:08:26 AM 1052 Views
Re: Stop using female as a noun! - 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM 917 Views
If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. - 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM 965 Views
For the record, I certainly don't think you're crazy town. - 05/04/2012 07:23:18 PM 997 Views
Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that. - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM 1013 Views
Fascinating. - 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM 1013 Views
Re: Fascinating. - 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM 1016 Views
Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references. - 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM 1001 Views
What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is? - 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM 1071 Views
Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong. - 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM 937 Views
Sorry, no. Read better. - 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM 974 Views
*deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. - 07/04/2012 06:38:08 PM 967 Views
Re: *deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. - 07/04/2012 09:26:34 PM 1105 Views
Aha, we found the problem - 09/04/2012 01:03:35 PM 1076 Views
You're being disingenuous. - 09/04/2012 12:57:38 PM 992 Views
To be fair - 04/04/2012 02:37:25 PM 1018 Views
You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM 1036 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM 981 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM 986 Views
This - 05/04/2012 12:20:04 AM 983 Views
I got half way through the review and got bored. - 04/04/2012 03:09:58 AM 987 Views
And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM 1030 Views
I think that might be debatable - 05/04/2012 06:59:35 PM 1013 Views
She still made plenty of choices and she did choose to kill. - 05/04/2012 07:13:47 PM 952 Views
The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character - 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM 1065 Views
Out of curiosity (this off topic) - 04/04/2012 07:32:25 PM 962 Views
Rachel, of course. - 05/04/2012 12:17:41 AM 1070 Views
Well. Now I've actually seen it. (mild spoilers) - 09/04/2012 12:17:03 AM 1057 Views