Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one.
DomA Send a noteboard - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM
I am no native speaker. I just checked. The word can be used as noun.
Yes. But mostly for animals. If you go around talking about a movie in German and all the "Weibchen" in it, I dare say people will call you a male chauvinist pig as well.
I'm with you.I'm fairly averse to using it as a noun except for animals in English too, though I know that's all to do with how you use and don't use femelle (anymore) in French.
It would be extremely derogatory to use the word a noun for a human woman, except in a medical contex or as a short cut for "genre féminin". Another acceptable use would be for humour (non offensive gender humour, for e.g....)
I guess it has a lot to do with culture. Femelle for French speakers reduces the gender to its reproductive function and was mostly used in other contexts by mysogynists or men wishing to dismiss or attack the gender. Since feminism, the word is barely ever used except for animals and a proper scientific term (totally non offensive when used this way). A few decades ago however, a priest could for example (and if you go back far enough, often would) refer to Eve as a "femelle" (while referring to Adam as a Man), but nowadays a priest doing that would really ruffle his flock.
Anyway, culturally I still find it really weird and odd to use female as a noun for women in English when the context isn't scientific, and when others use it sounds derogative and rude (even aggressive), whatever the real intent. Based on the argument, it sounds like with English speakers the word has gained the same derogative stigma for some women, but it's not as widely established culturally/linguistically as it is in French. In French even the adjective could be derogative out of the scientific context, and féminin is much preferred for all the others.
Typically, mâle has none of those connotations. Using it over homme (man) for a human male is often even flattering. French can be incredibly sexist in some of its usages.
The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review.
- 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM
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"Written by a female with femalist themes"
- 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM
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I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet
- 03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM
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It's not. That's what shallow idiots say about things where women have power or physical skills *NM*
- 04/04/2012 03:45:22 PM
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I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist.
- 03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM
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Where do I start?
- 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM
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But that is exactly what feminist means "it could have been a boy just as well"
- 04/04/2012 01:42:43 PM
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Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying
- 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM
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Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist?
- 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM
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Why would I consider it to be femenist?
- 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM
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I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical.
- 04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM
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Completely agree with your first paragraph
- 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM
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To you "feminist" is a dirty word? To me, it means acceptable. Differences in definitions I think
- 04/04/2012 01:50:32 PM
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Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out
- 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM
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Fair enough
- 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM
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Stop using female as a noun!
- 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM
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It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred
- 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM
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It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one.
- 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM
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I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though
- 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM
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Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds.
- 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM
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I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over
- 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM
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You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize.
- 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM
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Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory
- 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM
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Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM*
- 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM
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so if your problem is people using it disparagingly...
- 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM
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That's not what I said.
- 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM
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Which flies in the face of it's ordinary usage, which smacks of needless revisionism.
- 06/04/2012 09:42:15 AM
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Accusatory of what.i think you meant annoyed. So youre annoyed she was annoyed? Let's out this to re *NM*
- 09/04/2012 12:44:17 PM
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Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears)
- 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM
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Nope. (edit)
- 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM
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Re: Nope. (edit)
- 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM
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"Female that"? That's even worse.
- 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM
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Ok.
- 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM
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Let's try and whittle this down some so as to help you with the quotes.
- 07/04/2012 05:42:32 PM
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- 07/04/2012 05:42:32 PM
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However he meant it, it was unpleasant to read. Just use "woman" instead. *NM*
- 05/04/2012 08:13:13 PM
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Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one.
- 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM
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English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words
- 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM
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The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind.
- 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM
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That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that.
- 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM
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Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that.
- 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM
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wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing?
*NM*
- 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM
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*NM*
- 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM
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Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that.
- 05/04/2012 02:08:26 AM
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Re: Stop using female as a noun!
- 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM
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If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here.
- 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM
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Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that.
- 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM
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Fascinating.
- 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM
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Re: Fascinating.
- 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM
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Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references.
- 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM
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What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is?
- 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM
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Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong.
- 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM
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Sorry, no. Read better.
- 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM
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Re: If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here.
- 09/04/2012 03:09:06 AM
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Nothing wrong with your use of female. You should ignore those crazy foreigners saying otherwise. *NM*
- 06/04/2012 02:49:41 PM
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I think I'll start saying males instead of men. If the males here don't mind? *NM*
- 09/04/2012 12:58:54 PM
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You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive
- 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM
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Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive
- 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM
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Interesting. I really need to read these books soon, evidently. *NM*
- 03/04/2012 10:52:43 PM
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And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers*
- 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM
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The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character
- 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM
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