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Re: Replies and spoilers Cannoli Send a noteboard - 18/12/2015 04:35:49 PM


Well it was very similar to A New Hope... in many ways it felt like a tribute movie. Knowing Star Wars fans, they'd want something reminiscent of the past, and would complain if something else was delivered. You can never win with people.
My point was, they are going to bitch. I didn't mind at all.
Nothing science-defying about it... suppose it could be made one day.

I was more thinking about how people can watch it fire while standing on the surface, or the complete lack of any gravitational effect of it draining and destroying the sun. Does is suck up one sun per shot? Wouldn't that mean it needs to move to a new system for the next shot? Wouldn't all the trees and stuff die moving through hyperspace?
I'm sorry if improving the Death Star by a factor of at least 10 was not sufficient scientifically.

That's not exactly common technology, more like an aberrant thing, that might have had unnatural knowledge behind it. It's not really indicative of the technological state advancing.
It's only been 30 years, not 30 millenia, and after the Empire fell the galaxy fell into relative anarchy. Scavenging the remnants is a consistent theme in the movie. I doubt people had the resources to invent new weapons when half of the Star Destroyers are belly up in the desert. But there were a few small things, like a stormtrooper who can fight against lightsabers.
Those are excellent points. Mind you, I don't actually have a problem with the stagnant tech, and love coming up with explanations for that stuff. Actually now, I wonder if both sides didn't upgrade their fighters for atmospheric flight to spare themselves the logistical headaches of maintaining two sets of vehicles. If X-wings could always do what they do in VII, why bother maintaining those snowspeeders on Hoth? They seem to be rather poorly adapted to cold for their name, given why Han needed to take a tauntaun to find Luke. And the New Order obviously doesn't have the resources of the Empire, so they use TIE fighters for close air support, rather than walkers. Modifying them to be capable of inter-atmospheric flight saves a whole lot of problems.
We don't know the back story or why Hux feels the way he does.

I was referring more to behavior (the OTT shrieking) on his part, rather than motivations.
Probably because he's... 18! Maybe we should give the guy a bit of time to flesh out considering he's an apprentice in the truest sense of the word. There are more than hints that he's very new to the Dark Side. Isn't it nice to finally have a dark jedi whose journey we can follow instead of a mindless drone who dies at the end of each movie?
Which was my point.
Finally, some insight.
You shouldn't have interrupted before I made my point.
I'm not sure what else you want with Ren? He's at least as proficient with Force push/pull compared to Vader.

I found Vader's dealing with a gun shot far better. He took the hit without even seeming to notice, while Ren had to freeze it and get out of the way, because it would presumably have killed him.


He's got great mental skills and instincts. What's the problem?
He tried to read two people's minds, one beat him and he went running to the boss to whine.
But why is this an issue when it's a trilogy? It's going to be revealed.
We'll see. The last time I accepted shortcomings as something to be clarified in the next two installments was a little tome called "The Gathering Storm" by Brandon Sanderson.
I assumed that the military was ruined along with 5 planets and about 500 billion people.
Yeah, later in the movie. Why, at the outset, are they relying on a Resistance? The New Order blew up the government because they "support the Resistance." Why was the government not resisting with armies and fleets. Does the government only rule those five planets? Was the military concentrated on them?
No no no... it was perfect. We want an educated Jedi knight who can speak well, like Luke, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gonn. God help us if we get another gung-ho cowboy with a lightsaber.
You mean...like Luke? What about Mace Windu? Yoda's syntax might have been perverse, but his pronunciations were American.
We want the Queen's English, not the rebel perversion you people made. The popular theory is that Rey is Luke's daughter and he sent her to that planet after Ren killed all his students to protect her.
So she got the accent from him?



This might be the first ever mainstream blockbuster movie, where the villain worries that he's not evil enough, and how can he be more evil and live up to the example of his role model!

Cannoli get a grip.

It was not a complaint.
I for one am glad that this cross-bladed sabre was shown to have purpose, as it received such shit from purists. I can imagine you rolling your eyes!
I was not one of them. I always thought those things would be more useful than Maul's double blade. And my reference provided yet another use for them, as it would be a lot more painful getting shoved up that far.
So basically you haven't understood a thing that has ever come out of Alec Guinness' mouth?
Don't compare him to Gwendolyn Christie. And if he ever spoke during an action scene, or when FX were drowning him out, I might have had trouble.
I'm sorry to say that Leia has never actually done anything of use,
The Lanfear of the Rebellion, eh?
Cannoli
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Love your review! I'm seeing it tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait! *NM* - 18/12/2015 01:20:16 AM 1049 Views
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The books... - 21/12/2015 09:05:28 PM 1679 Views
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In general agreement ** potential Spoilers ** - 19/12/2015 06:06:23 AM 1544 Views
There are books? - 19/12/2015 11:19:07 AM 1590 Views
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So Darth Plagieus might still be in? Sweet. - 20/12/2015 04:44:21 AM 1517 Views
Palpatine's master? - 20/12/2015 02:25:45 PM 1601 Views
I mean the novel of that name. - 22/12/2015 09:47:16 PM 1542 Views
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Yeah, I think we're talking about the same one. - 24/12/2015 12:05:57 AM 1513 Views
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Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:00:32 PM 1810 Views
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They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 18/12/2015 11:38:36 PM 1563 Views
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Well - 19/12/2015 05:53:56 AM 1568 Views
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Yip that's true *NM* - 19/12/2015 07:46:59 AM 995 Views
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Pretty much... - 29/12/2015 12:08:58 AM 1596 Views
Absolutely, yes *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:54:52 PM 1059 Views
Just saw it! Holy shit, shit, shit, shit.....it was amazing. - 19/12/2015 05:38:44 AM 1636 Views
Loved it (Spoilers) - 19/12/2015 06:16:54 AM 1609 Views
Fantastic characters, great entertainment, no originality, no logic - 29/12/2015 03:33:43 AM 1639 Views
Your Mom has no originality or logic! *NM* - 29/12/2015 11:39:41 AM 1011 Views
JJ Abrams should be able to do better than my Mom - 30/12/2015 04:20:54 AM 1579 Views
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Lucas has created some of the most iconics chacters in movie history ? - 31/12/2015 02:29:02 PM 1509 Views
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It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. - 30/12/2015 09:26:10 PM 1575 Views
Why is time for female lead and why does the lef think subtraction is the answer to inequality? - 04/01/2016 01:37:37 PM 1352 Views
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Just another check the box movie, then - 04/01/2016 06:02:41 PM 1434 Views
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They are talking abou tmakin ght Gunslinger black - 05/01/2016 02:05:36 PM 1472 Views
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Wow. That's... sad. - 06/01/2016 09:32:37 PM 1633 Views
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All that Paul said - 17/01/2016 05:13:59 PM 2217 Views
LOL - 05/01/2016 06:33:50 PM 1465 Views
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It's not a straw man - 08/01/2016 04:52:03 PM 1547 Views
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What a load of crap. - 08/01/2016 10:29:35 AM 1477 Views
I only partially agree - 08/01/2016 03:27:10 PM 1613 Views
Sorry if science isn't your thing but no what I said is true - 09/01/2016 11:49:15 PM 1629 Views
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Well said *NM* - 05/01/2016 12:01:25 PM 996 Views
Because it isn't "subtraction"... - 08/01/2016 09:33:24 AM 1500 Views
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It's all good stuff, like the first book in a good sci-fi/fantasy trilogy! - 07/01/2016 06:44:45 AM 1568 Views
I think it's pretty obvious... - 17/01/2016 07:43:19 AM 1666 Views

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