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View original postIt was a bit rushed at the end, and the quest for Luke felt kind of tacked-on. I think if these people were doing Empire, they'd have had Lando and Chewie fly off and arrive at Jabba's palace with Lando trudging across the desert, to enter, presumably to apply for a guard's job, while staring longingly at Han's carbon frozen form. That was one misstep, I felt, solely to include the dramatic turn and appearance of Luke, and to justify all the announcements that Mark Hamill was in it. If they actually HAD to put Hamill in it, they could have had a flashback or something, and save the encounter with Rey for episode VIII.

I agree, I thought that they probably should have just ended the movie with Rey, Chewbacca, and R2 blasting off into space. If they needed Luke, perhaps just his voiceover of "The Force is strong in my family."


Both she and Finn are way more adept with a light saber than anyone who touched one for the first time in this film has any business being. By contrast, Kylo Ren seems like the least competent Dark Side swordsman in the entire series. Even Obi-Wans' and Vader's first/last duel gave more of a sense of competence, as in two great masters who are so good that they only need to use economical feints and movements, and so far removed from the emotional conflict of their previous match-up that they feel no need for strenuous lunges and chops. Kylo Ren just flails around smashing inanimate objects, and killing non-resisting old men, while taking far too long to defeat a powerless stormtrooper and unable to overcome a total tyro.

I think that Kylo Ren's lightsaber skills match well with his character. He's shown multiple times flailing about with his saber trashing computers and the like. It's like a whiny brat with a toy. He doesn't truly understand it, just that he's supposed to have one.


I also wonder how they're going to justify Luke running off to hide instead of dealing with the problems his failure created.

I think that he's very much like Obi-wan in this. "I thought I could train him as well as Master Yoda." In both cases their apprentices fall to the Dark Side, and both leave the galaxy to fend for itself while they hide. Granted Obi-wan was looking over Luke, and thus had a purpose, but I assume Luke does too.

Perhaps he needed to go commune with ancient Jedi. Find old teachings in holocrons; speak to the force ghosts of Obi-wan, Yoda, and the like; meditate and learn first. He never had a full teaching himself, so it's hard to go and teach others. At the end of RoTJ he's still just really a padawan, although claims the title of Jedi.

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