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Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. Duke Send a noteboard - 29/12/2015 05:19:54 AM

View original postIt was a bit rushed at the end, and the quest for Luke felt kind of tacked-on. I think if these people were doing Empire, they'd have had Lando and Chewie fly off and arrive at Jabba's palace with Lando trudging across the desert, to enter, presumably to apply for a guard's job, while staring longingly at Han's carbon frozen form. That was one misstep, I felt, solely to include the dramatic turn and appearance of Luke, and to justify all the announcements that Mark Hamill was in it. If they actually HAD to put Hamill in it, they could have had a flashback or something, and save the encounter with Rey for episode VIII.

I agree, I thought that they probably should have just ended the movie with Rey, Chewbacca, and R2 blasting off into space. If they needed Luke, perhaps just his voiceover of "The Force is strong in my family."


Both she and Finn are way more adept with a light saber than anyone who touched one for the first time in this film has any business being. By contrast, Kylo Ren seems like the least competent Dark Side swordsman in the entire series. Even Obi-Wans' and Vader's first/last duel gave more of a sense of competence, as in two great masters who are so good that they only need to use economical feints and movements, and so far removed from the emotional conflict of their previous match-up that they feel no need for strenuous lunges and chops. Kylo Ren just flails around smashing inanimate objects, and killing non-resisting old men, while taking far too long to defeat a powerless stormtrooper and unable to overcome a total tyro.

I think that Kylo Ren's lightsaber skills match well with his character. He's shown multiple times flailing about with his saber trashing computers and the like. It's like a whiny brat with a toy. He doesn't truly understand it, just that he's supposed to have one.


I also wonder how they're going to justify Luke running off to hide instead of dealing with the problems his failure created.

I think that he's very much like Obi-wan in this. "I thought I could train him as well as Master Yoda." In both cases their apprentices fall to the Dark Side, and both leave the galaxy to fend for itself while they hide. Granted Obi-wan was looking over Luke, and thus had a purpose, but I assume Luke does too.

Perhaps he needed to go commune with ancient Jedi. Find old teachings in holocrons; speak to the force ghosts of Obi-wan, Yoda, and the like; meditate and learn first. He never had a full teaching himself, so it's hard to go and teach others. At the end of RoTJ he's still just really a padawan, although claims the title of Jedi.

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Star Wars : The Force Awakens review (spoiler free) Sidious - 17/12/2015 09:18:26 AM 2085 Views
Love your review! I'm seeing it tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 18/12/2015 01:20:16 AM 663 Views
Pretty much agree. I also give 9/10 despite of noticing some flaws. ironclad - 18/12/2015 08:50:49 AM 1136 Views
Re: Pretty much agree. I also give 9/10 despite of noticing some flaws. DomA - 20/12/2015 12:46:52 AM 963 Views
Re: Pretty much agree. I also give 9/10 despite of noticing some flaws. ironclad - 20/12/2015 10:28:47 AM 1090 Views
Some (relatively spoiler free) thoughts Cannoli - 18/12/2015 12:27:22 PM 1148 Views
I pretty much agree with most of that. ironclad - 18/12/2015 01:05:16 PM 1097 Views
Agreed, Driver did a great job..... Anonymous2000 - 19/12/2015 05:46:44 AM 950 Views
Replies and spoilers Sidious - 18/12/2015 03:04:37 PM 1031 Views
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The books... fionwe1987 - 21/12/2015 09:05:28 PM 1009 Views
Re: The books... DomA - 22/12/2015 03:12:52 AM 950 Views
In general agreement ** potential Spoilers ** gban007 - 19/12/2015 06:06:23 AM 911 Views
There are books? Cannoli - 19/12/2015 11:19:07 AM 968 Views
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Palpatine's master? DomA - 20/12/2015 02:25:45 PM 886 Views
I mean the novel of that name. Cannoli - 22/12/2015 09:47:16 PM 919 Views
Re: I mean the novel of that name. DomA - 22/12/2015 10:05:49 PM 1005 Views
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Also, SPOILER thoughts. Cannoli - 18/12/2015 01:00:32 PM 1119 Views
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You're making me reply to two posts Sidious - 18/12/2015 03:29:23 PM 997 Views
The death (spoilers) DomA - 22/12/2015 10:30:05 PM 953 Views
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Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. Duke - 29/12/2015 05:19:54 AM 936 Views
I have tickets for tonight random thoughts - 18/12/2015 04:47:17 PM 962 Views
Arbrams impressed me(spoiler free) random thoughts - 19/12/2015 05:17:42 AM 1059 Views
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Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. Sports_Gambler - 19/12/2015 12:19:10 AM 1048 Views
Well gban007 - 19/12/2015 05:53:56 AM 887 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. Sidious - 19/12/2015 07:46:06 AM 1095 Views
people forget they were kids movies *NM* random thoughts - 19/12/2015 01:17:10 AM 645 Views
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Re: 'Revenge of the Sith' (3rd prequel) was actually a decent movie Duke - 29/12/2015 06:05:05 AM 943 Views
BTW, Daniel Craig is totally forgiven for Spectre. He was a Stormtrooper (spoilers for role) Cannoli - 18/12/2015 11:40:44 PM 893 Views
Yip that's true *NM* Sidious - 19/12/2015 07:46:59 AM 622 Views
And Simon Pegg was the alien who ran the trading post Rey always went to *NM* ironclad - 20/12/2015 02:30:59 PM 724 Views
I got the impression he was actually her boss or contractor Cannoli - 28/12/2015 12:48:48 PM 1049 Views
Pretty much... DomA - 29/12/2015 12:08:58 AM 949 Views
Absolutely, yes *NM* ironclad - 29/12/2015 01:54:52 PM 678 Views
Just saw it! Holy shit, shit, shit, shit.....it was amazing. Anonymous2000 - 19/12/2015 05:38:44 AM 950 Views
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Your Mom has no originality or logic! *NM* Cannoli - 29/12/2015 11:39:41 AM 670 Views
JJ Abrams should be able to do better than my Mom Sports_Gambler - 30/12/2015 04:20:54 AM 870 Views
I gave it a B+ overall but I think the characters are its weak spot random thoughts - 29/12/2015 05:08:15 PM 797 Views
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So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) Duke - 30/12/2015 10:11:01 AM 950 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) DomA - 30/12/2015 07:10:56 PM 1281 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) Duke - 30/12/2015 09:24:08 PM 910 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) DomA - 31/12/2015 04:58:24 PM 861 Views
It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. Legolas - 30/12/2015 09:26:10 PM 893 Views
Re: It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. DomA - 31/12/2015 05:37:17 PM 805 Views
Is Luke still the hero? As loud as the fans may be, you don't get to these numbers with them alone. Legolas - 31/12/2015 07:06:05 PM 834 Views
Why is time for female lead and why does the lef think subtraction is the answer to inequality? random thoughts - 04/01/2016 01:37:37 PM 735 Views
Because the six other movies had zero female Jedis of any importance? Legolas - 04/01/2016 05:58:25 PM 957 Views
Just another check the box movie, then Tom - 04/01/2016 06:02:41 PM 831 Views
Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? Legolas - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM 920 Views
They are talking abou tmakin ght Gunslinger black random thoughts - 05/01/2016 02:05:36 PM 869 Views
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That's not really what I said, you'll note. Legolas - 05/01/2016 07:48:08 PM 1038 Views
I don't think it was Disney's business acumen. Tom - 06/01/2016 06:59:46 PM 1105 Views
Wow. That's... sad. Legolas - 06/01/2016 09:32:37 PM 957 Views
Re: Wow. That's... sad. DomA - 08/01/2016 03:08:58 AM 938 Views
I am noit sure how well that 7-12 girl demographic will work in merchandising random thoughts - 08/01/2016 06:30:47 PM 932 Views
Your premise is entirely wrong. Tom - 12/01/2016 05:53:26 AM 867 Views
Actually, they do have a major character who is Latino. Legolas - 12/01/2016 07:15:31 PM 889 Views
The culture wars are just about blacks and feminists. Tom - 13/01/2016 02:31:20 AM 914 Views
All that Paul said DomA - 17/01/2016 05:13:59 PM 1513 Views
Doesn't Disney want to sell toys to white boys? They were the one who made this thing popular *NM* random thoughts - 08/01/2016 06:17:49 PM 602 Views
LOL Sidious - 05/01/2016 06:33:50 PM 873 Views
Funny that people use strwmen arguments to make themsleves feel smart random thoughts - 08/01/2016 04:22:22 PM 946 Views
It's not a straw man Sidious - 08/01/2016 04:52:03 PM 916 Views
Yes the white guys are either legacy or bad guys. What if all the bad guys had been black? random thoughts - 08/01/2016 09:45:39 PM 772 Views
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Male leads, sure, but it wasn't just the leads. Legolas - 04/01/2016 11:28:12 PM 927 Views
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I don't see how it makes sense to compare their roles, but Finn is certainly plenty strong. Legolas - 05/01/2016 07:38:05 PM 899 Views
Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story random thoughts - 06/01/2016 02:52:58 PM 881 Views
Re: Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story Sidious - 06/01/2016 05:50:08 PM 893 Views
I don't have an issue with a strong female jedi random thoughts - 07/01/2016 02:49:44 PM 880 Views
Re: I don't have an issue with a strong female jedi Sidious - 07/01/2016 03:26:34 PM 926 Views
The reall issue it looks like Luke sucked as Jedi master random thoughts - 07/01/2016 07:14:31 PM 859 Views
Sorry, no. Legolas - 06/01/2016 06:56:09 PM 938 Views
What a load of crap. fionwe1987 - 08/01/2016 10:29:35 AM 850 Views
I only partially agree Sidious - 08/01/2016 03:27:10 PM 896 Views
Sorry if science isn't your thing but no what I said is true random thoughts - 09/01/2016 11:49:15 PM 1011 Views
Re: Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close fionwe1987 - 08/01/2016 10:01:16 AM 813 Views
Well said *NM* ironclad - 05/01/2016 12:01:25 PM 684 Views
Because it isn't "subtraction"... fionwe1987 - 08/01/2016 09:33:24 AM 870 Views
Of course it is random thoughts - 09/01/2016 10:19:53 PM 836 Views
Okay so about the big bad guy *spoilers* Sidious - 05/01/2016 06:27:37 PM 926 Views
I may be alone on this, but... Legolas - 05/01/2016 08:07:26 PM 928 Views
Re: I may be alone on this, but... Sidious - 05/01/2016 08:42:42 PM 848 Views
What speaks against is for me... ironclad - 05/01/2016 10:57:44 PM 1263 Views
Re: What speaks against is for me... Sidious - 06/01/2016 10:08:35 AM 994 Views
It's all good stuff, like the first book in a good sci-fi/fantasy trilogy! Sports_Gambler - 07/01/2016 06:44:45 AM 968 Views
Andy Serkis confirmed that Snoke is "just Snoke" and a new character. DomA - 08/01/2016 03:39:47 AM 904 Views
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Of course an actor would have to lie at this point. I'd expect him to. ironclad - 09/01/2016 01:14:09 PM 1534 Views
Re: Of course an actor would have to lie at this point. I'd expect him to. Sidious - 09/01/2016 06:58:07 PM 893 Views
I think it's pretty obvious... Duke - 17/01/2016 07:43:19 AM 969 Views
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