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He raised other issues too Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM
What is unrealistic is that someone with the experience of ruling the world is demoted to the point of being a servile nobody who has to endure a "be quiet until you are spoken to" attitude from the girls she used to rule.

If Michael Jordan is suddenly crippled and unable to get out of a wheelchair he would still have the respect of other NBA players, despite having lost his abilities.

Same with Roger Federer in tennis, or a gifted fighter pilot in the Air Force, or any other person who used to hold a position of acclaim and greatness.

Portraying her as having to show deference and servitude to women who used to be her subjects is ridiculous.


There are several reasons why Siuan is treated so badly. As Amyrlin she allowed something unprecedented to occur - the breaking of the Tower. Not only that, but most Sisters know that she is the actual reason for it too.

Secondly, she can't channel, which makes her less than the weakest novice. If Michael Jordan was paralyzed he would retain respect but if he tried to exert influence on able-bodied players he would soon find himself in deep water.

Finally, Siuan looks like a young girl, so it's even harder to respect her.

Liandrin was the head of the black ajah posse but when Moghedien shielded her they ignored her command within one paragraph. The Shadow is undoubtedly more hostile in this area, but it seems that the Light is equally abrasive once the ability is lost.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5438 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1322 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1056 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1286 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1179 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1173 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1180 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 1032 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1054 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 566 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 579 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 521 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1171 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1236 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1084 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 1149 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 1071 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1091 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 997 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1203 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1116 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1278 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1125 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1295 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1116 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1187 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1131 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1154 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1085 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 898 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1379 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1063 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 1015 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1094 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1093 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 1056 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 1056 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1163 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1081 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1754 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1108 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1091 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 973 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 630 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 574 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 961 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1133 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1105 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1075 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 989 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1132 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1058 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1071 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1146 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 1008 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 1035 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1130 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1201 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 950 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 1023 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1115 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1092 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 944 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 954 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1068 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1107 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 911 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1090 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 1013 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 902 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1158 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 922 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 1025 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 1034 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 964 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 975 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1155 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 668 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 991 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1136 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1198 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1172 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 1059 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 1021 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 1016 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1309 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 984 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 1022 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1134 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 953 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1081 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 1034 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1062 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 921 Views
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