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He raised other issues too Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM
What is unrealistic is that someone with the experience of ruling the world is demoted to the point of being a servile nobody who has to endure a "be quiet until you are spoken to" attitude from the girls she used to rule.

If Michael Jordan is suddenly crippled and unable to get out of a wheelchair he would still have the respect of other NBA players, despite having lost his abilities.

Same with Roger Federer in tennis, or a gifted fighter pilot in the Air Force, or any other person who used to hold a position of acclaim and greatness.

Portraying her as having to show deference and servitude to women who used to be her subjects is ridiculous.


There are several reasons why Siuan is treated so badly. As Amyrlin she allowed something unprecedented to occur - the breaking of the Tower. Not only that, but most Sisters know that she is the actual reason for it too.

Secondly, she can't channel, which makes her less than the weakest novice. If Michael Jordan was paralyzed he would retain respect but if he tried to exert influence on able-bodied players he would soon find himself in deep water.

Finally, Siuan looks like a young girl, so it's even harder to respect her.

Liandrin was the head of the black ajah posse but when Moghedien shielded her they ignored her command within one paragraph. The Shadow is undoubtedly more hostile in this area, but it seems that the Light is equally abrasive once the ability is lost.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5190 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1167 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 948 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1194 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1069 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1068 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1071 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 936 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 938 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 516 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 532 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 469 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1022 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1146 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 980 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 1008 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 977 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 981 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 903 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1105 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1004 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1147 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1027 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1188 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1022 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1067 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1025 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1042 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 976 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 806 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1276 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 955 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 913 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 975 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 998 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 938 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 922 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1033 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 979 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1241 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 994 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 993 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 875 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 581 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 526 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 858 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 986 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 984 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 976 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 887 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1017 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 963 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 954 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1014 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 902 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 944 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1028 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1095 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 848 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 914 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1016 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 992 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 842 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 845 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 954 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 987 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 813 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 982 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 911 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 805 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1016 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 822 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 912 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 933 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 867 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 869 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1060 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 619 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 884 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1018 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1025 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1022 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 918 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 907 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 904 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1169 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 886 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 911 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1029 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 850 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 972 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 938 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 943 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 793 Views
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