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You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM
What is unrealistic is that someone with the experience of ruling the world is demoted to the point of being a servile nobody who has to endure a "be quiet until you are spoken to" attitude from the girls she used to rule.

Because they believe that her right to rule was tied to her ability to channel.
Without that, she is now a normal person, and worse off than them because she's going to get depressed and soon die. She is a representation of a loss that is abhorrent to these women, and they've got to be around her.
But worse, many feel she actually deserved a little of what she got, and blame her for putting them in this untenable position. Why exactly would they show her respect now?
If Michael Jordan is suddenly crippled and unable to get out of a wheelchair he would still have the respect of other NBA players, despite having lost his abilities.

That would be because this was an accident. If Siuan had burned out during some difficult task, I'm sure the reactions of the Aes Sedai would have been quite different.
Same with Roger Federer in tennis, or a gifted fighter pilot in the Air Force, or any other person who used to hold a position of acclaim and greatness.

If they lost their ability due to some accident and did not screw up the lives of their followers. You completely ignore that and keep harping on the stilling as the only reason.
Portraying her as having to show deference and servitude to women who used to be her subjects is ridiculous.

No it isn't. Whining about it is.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5328 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1265 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1004 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1244 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1120 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1115 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1128 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 980 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1000 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 542 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 557 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 498 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1089 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1187 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1034 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 1079 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 1023 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1035 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 949 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1154 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1056 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1206 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1073 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1240 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1070 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1121 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1079 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1091 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1030 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 849 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1332 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1001 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 959 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1047 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1049 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 995 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 985 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1110 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1028 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1539 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1051 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1042 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 919 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 608 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 552 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 908 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1055 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1046 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1025 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 933 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1070 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1004 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1014 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1083 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 953 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 988 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1075 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1143 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 897 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 961 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1066 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1044 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 897 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 903 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1011 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1042 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 863 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1030 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 955 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 849 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1086 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 869 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 958 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 980 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 916 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 925 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1111 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 644 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 937 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1084 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1122 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1101 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 979 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 964 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 972 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1246 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 937 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 966 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1081 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 904 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1027 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 986 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1007 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 838 Views
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