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I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM
Siuan had the roughest treatment of any female character in this story; as comedic as it is imagining the former most powerful female ruler in the world washing socks, the lack of respect and authority she commanded once losing her strength and the stole after Stilling went a long way towards my position that the Aes Sedai are flawed and need to be destroyed for their own good.

RJ took some time earlier in the series conveying that despite her great strength in the Power compared to other Sisters, it was also a matter of her personality that enabled Siuan to exercise such authority. When her strength was lost and all she was left with was experience that could now only be used circumspectly, it really drove home how backwards the organization is - basically the most capable leaders are not able to enter positions of authority because of the politics that we are constantly told are flawed but work.

I understand that she is in love, but I just don't like her character arc - it's played way too much for me to take her seriously.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5537 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1409 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1166 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1372 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1263 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1254 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1258 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 1123 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1136 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 609 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 627 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1253 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1202 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1181 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 1071 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1284 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1190 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1362 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1210 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1382 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1205 Views
Re: "They"? - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1272 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1211 Views
I don't know if I agree with this - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1252 Views
The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1166 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 982 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1462 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1152 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 1097 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1181 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1167 Views
I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 1139 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1246 Views
I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1169 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1926 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1199 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1169 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 1057 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 672 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 616 Views
The Reds aren't petty - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 1038 Views
Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1208 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1188 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1171 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 1071 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1228 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1140 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1168 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1224 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 1098 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 1121 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1211 Views
So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1289 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 1032 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 1095 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1200 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1181 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 1028 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 1034 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1149 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1183 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 990 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1168 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 1099 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 986 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1247 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 1006 Views
Interesting. - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 1111 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 1114 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 1040 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 1068 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1243 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 1077 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1222 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1285 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1250 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 1144 Views
That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 1104 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 1097 Views
Why are they lumped together? - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1398 Views
for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 1069 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 1107 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1257 Views
No, I don't think so - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 1032 Views
Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1160 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 1120 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1149 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 1001 Views

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