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She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM
Siuan had the roughest treatment of any female character in this story; as comedic as it is imagining the former most powerful female ruler in the world washing socks, the lack of respect and authority she commanded once losing her strength and the stole after Stilling went a long way towards my position that the Aes Sedai are flawed and need to be destroyed for their own good.

RJ took some time earlier in the series conveying that despite her great strength in the Power compared to other Sisters, it was also a matter of her personality that enabled Siuan to exercise such authority. When her strength was lost and all she was left with was experience that could now only be used circumspectly, it really drove home how backwards the organization is - basically the most capable leaders are not able to enter positions of authority because of the politics that we are constantly told are flawed but work.

I understand that she is in love, but I just don't like her character arc - it's played way too much for me to take her seriously.


I always felt sorry for Siuan. She was caught in the webs of the Blue ajah by the time she was raised to a new Sister, and had even less chance of leaving the Tower than Moiraine did. With her sharp mind, it's no surprise that she was made Amyrlin. She was cursed with hearing the prophecy, being the strongest woman in the Tower, and worst enemy of the Reds and especially Elaida. Add in the Black Ajah and it's a miracle she lasted so long. In the end while Moiraine was gallavanting around with the DR, she was trapped and at the mercy of the Hall, who actually wanted Moiraine most of all.

Leane was a pure victim. It's kind of terrible what happened to her, but both women found new functions in life.

The two characters did make one realize how dependent they become on saidar. Without it, they're hardly even women anymore.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5471 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1342 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1082 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1300 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1194 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1187 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1191 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 1050 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1071 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 573 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 590 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1190 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1102 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1109 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 1012 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1221 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1127 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1294 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1137 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1310 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1137 Views
Re: "They"? - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1205 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1145 Views
I don't know if I agree with this - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1170 Views
The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1098 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 910 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1400 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1079 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 1031 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1109 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1109 Views
I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 1072 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1178 Views
I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1102 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1835 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1123 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1106 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 990 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 635 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 580 Views
The Reds aren't petty - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 976 Views
Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1145 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1127 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1093 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 1005 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1156 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1076 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1087 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1161 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 1024 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 1051 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1143 Views
So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1219 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 965 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 1037 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1134 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1110 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 959 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 965 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1078 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1121 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 925 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1108 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 1032 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 916 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1176 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 935 Views
Interesting. - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 1039 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 1048 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 974 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 990 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1170 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 1009 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1148 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1215 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1187 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 1076 Views
That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 1035 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 1033 Views
Why are they lumped together? - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1325 Views
for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 1000 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 1035 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1151 Views
No, I don't think so - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 970 Views
Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1094 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 1050 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1078 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 940 Views

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