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Re: I don't really agree DomA Send a noteboard - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM
One of my major problems with the series is its saccharin resolution of plots i.e. everyone lives happily ever after.


Isn't it a bit too early to complain about that?

So far, there hasn't been much resolution and what's been hasn't necessarily been "happily ever after". Think for example of:

- The effects of the taint in male channellers never to be cured
- The resolution of Adeleas's murder that ended up costing more lives than the original event
- Logain's less than triumphant joining of Rand
- Perrin's family already dead when he showed up to save the day in TST
- Rand's big plan to resolve everything in one single blow in KOD failing from start to finish in TGS (how many thought Ituralde would become another Bashere as Rand's army kept becoming more formidable, that AD and Tear would allied as planned, that Tuon would cast her prejudice and ally with Rand - some had even predicted that Rand would send her to "save" Egwene in Tar Valon!)
- The rebels's less than triumphant victory in TGS
- The Seanchan attack that wasn't averted
- The altogether negative resolution to Ituralde's story line
- The uncertain fate of the Egwene-Gawyn relationship
- The sour turn of the Siuan-Egwene relationship - a lot of people expected Siuan to rise again in power and at the very least keep her influence as advisor after a triumph of the Rebels.
- Perrin giving up "New Manetheren"
- The very bad reunion of Tam and Rand
- Cadsuane's less than triumphant success with Rand when she thought she had every base covered. He found his humanity again as she wanted, but it came at a high price for everyone - him and her most of all.
- Reanne's "I dream of being a Green again" cut short.
- Verin's triumph costing her her life.

and so on.

So far it looks more to me that the readers are expecting "happily ever after" on everything than Jordan delivering that. We'll see after the last book only what sort of balance he's kept between happy endings and bittersweet and costly victories. For e.g. do Thom and Moiraine really have a future, do Lan and Nynaeve? Etc.

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