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All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli Send a noteboard - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM
What is unrealistic is that someone with the experience of ruling the world is demoted to the point of being a servile nobody who has to endure a "be quiet until you are spoken to" attitude from the girls she used to rule.
Because it is all about the Tower and the law and the office of the Amyrlin. All that you are saying about what Siuan used to be has now been transfered to the person of Elaida - hence their reluctance to follow Siuan's plans.

If Michael Jordan is suddenly crippled and unable to get out of a wheelchair he would still have the respect of other NBA players, despite having lost his abilities.
Who voted Michael Jordan a great player in order to break a deadlock between several other candidates? Michael Jordan's ability and position as the best was proven, demonstrated and earned. And if Michael Jordan in a wheel chair kept trying to play guard for the Bulls, he quickly would be laughed off the court. Likewise a former president of the US who tried to act as if he still possessed his authority. It would be more like a president who lost his re-election bid because of disastrous policies and a public scandal and tried to address a meeting of the party leadership as if he were still in Oval office & insisting on the respect and deference that would be due. Those things are trappings of the office, not the person. What office did Michael Jordan hold, that brings the acclaim and respect of an excellent basketball player with it? Michael Jordan's fame and accolades came with his person and his own deeds. Siuan's authority and prestige were all functions of her office. While she might have exercised such power and status more than the typical holder of the office, if anything, that would make her a MORE likely target now that she no longer holds them. Sort of a "not so tough, NOW, are you?" mentality.

Same with Roger Federer in tennis, or a gifted fighter pilot in the Air Force, or any other person who used to hold a position of acclaim and greatness.
Except, not. A fighter pilot in the Air Force is hardly the latter anyway. On the other hand, a high-ranking military officer, cashiered in disgrace for exceeding his authority, would receive much the same reception Siuan encountered in Salidar.
If you insist on comparing her to a celebrity, try an actor whose looks have gone, and whose last few films were a flop, whose personal life has become the subject of late night TV hosts' monologues and ex-lovers' tell-all interviews are the cover stories of the supermarket check-out rack, barging into a studio meeting during an industry crisis and expecting the royal treatment.

Portraying her as having to show deference and servitude to women who used to be her subjects is ridiculous.
Only in your mind.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless

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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5573 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1432 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 1186 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1397 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1282 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1274 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1294 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 1149 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 1165 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 620 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 639 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1288 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1362 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1229 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1205 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 1110 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1310 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1231 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1386 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1238 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1423 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1233 Views
Re: "They"? - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1293 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1240 Views
I don't know if I agree with this - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1280 Views
The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1196 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 1011 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1483 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 1175 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 1139 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1206 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1192 Views
I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 1157 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1264 Views
I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1196 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1950 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1227 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1191 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 1077 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 686 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 628 Views
The Reds aren't petty - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 1059 Views
Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1232 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1207 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1198 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 1093 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1256 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 1162 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 1201 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1250 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 1125 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 1163 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1232 Views
So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1317 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 1053 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 1113 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1222 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1207 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 1077 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 1052 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 1198 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1214 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 1012 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1191 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 1120 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 1011 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1283 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 1036 Views
Interesting. - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 1140 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 1142 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 1062 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 1108 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1290 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 1102 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1263 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1325 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1290 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 1179 Views
That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 1129 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 1127 Views
Why are they lumped together? - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1418 Views
for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 1089 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 1128 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1287 Views
No, I don't think so - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 1054 Views
Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1182 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 1142 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 1180 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 1020 Views

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