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Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher Send a noteboard - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM
I think the root of Siuan's problem was that she grew up in Tear which has to be one of the most oppressive societies in the Westlands. The High Lords rule with a capital R. Anyone lower down in the food chain does what he or she is told by her superiours or else. Siuan would not have had access to the top ranks of the nobility to realise that they play the game of houses among themselves.

Next she is sent to Tar Valon where as novice and accepted you jump with a sister says jump and you don't ask questions when it comes to the important things.

As soon as she becomes Aes Sedai she is taken in charge by the Blue for her new role as future spymistress and from New Spring it seemed that she was being tightly controled. Again the leason she would have learned is that while you might bitch about the boss a bit when a real order came down you did what you were told.

Finally she becomes Amyrlin and I think that while she may have rationally known that the Hall and Sitters had to be kept on side unconsciously she was of the mindset that she was the boss and when she gave orders the Hall and the rank and file Aes Sedai should obey. Perhaps she was not as extreme in her views as Elaida became but even by TGH there are signs she has very little influence over the politics in the Hall.

Moiraine would probably have made a better Amyrlin. Growing up among the shifting alliances of the noble houses of Cairhain she would had it instilled into her that one needs to put one's enemies on the back foot and keep one's allies happy and allied.

Siuan's intentions were good but then one might say Elaida's were as well both both women went about their goals in the wrong way.
As for Leane she had loyalty to her friend but I wonder is the Keeper suppost to inform on the Amyrin if she startes to skirt the law.

My understanding was that the Keeper was the mouthpiece of the Amyrlin and suppost to be her chief of staff. Having her spill on her boss would be a bit like having a US secret agent on protection duty for the president telling the first lady her husband was having an affair. They are there to do a job not to go running to tell the world about any scandle they come across.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5123 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1130 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 932 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1175 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1051 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1050 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1057 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 920 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 918 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 508 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 523 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1005 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 964 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 963 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 884 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1090 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 993 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1131 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1011 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1173 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1003 Views
Re: "They"? - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1052 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1010 Views
I don't know if I agree with this - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1028 Views
The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 960 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 791 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1194 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 940 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 895 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 957 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 981 Views
I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 925 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1010 Views
I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 956 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1147 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 980 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 977 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 860 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 574 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 518 Views
The Reds aren't petty - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 843 Views
Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 970 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 966 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 961 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 870 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1005 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 951 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 941 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 997 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 887 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 925 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1015 Views
So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1080 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 835 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 900 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 999 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 975 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 829 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 830 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 938 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 972 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 797 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 968 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 897 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 788 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1000 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 808 Views
Interesting. - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 896 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 915 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 853 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 856 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1047 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 870 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1001 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1008 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1005 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 901 Views
That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 892 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 888 Views
Why are they lumped together? - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1148 Views
for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 866 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 896 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1013 Views
No, I don't think so - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 834 Views
Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 955 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 923 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 930 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 778 Views

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