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Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas Send a noteboard - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM
This would happen occasionally in Rome. Even the highest echelon of society could be demoted quite rapidly to the position of a gladiator or house slave, depending on the circumstances. Once you were there, you were not given special treatment. In societies where hierarchy is everything, demotion and promotion happen rapidly. You either become forgotten, or used as an omen of what happens when a person fucks up royally.

Hell, it's still like this today- high school cliques, publishing societies, politics, beauty pageants, celebrity status? You can go from being one of the most influential and respected members of a group/guild to a street sweeper with the spreading of one rumour. Tiger Woods, anyone? Whitney Houston (well, she was a crackhead...)? Various governors have had their careers destroyed because of adultery. It doesn't even matter, past a certain point, what good deeds they might have accomplished, society is (in large part) a here and now entity. Sure, in 100 years or so when a history book comes out, they might remember Person A for their accomplishments, but that is only after popular opinion has subsided (died, literally) and the information can be analyzed without the plebeian shadow of judgment.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5292 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1223 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 985 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1227 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1101 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1099 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1106 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 963 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 977 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 531 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 547 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 1055 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 1014 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 1014 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 930 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1140 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 1038 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1183 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1060 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1222 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 1054 Views
Re: "They"? - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1102 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1062 Views
I don't know if I agree with this - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1074 Views
The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 1006 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 837 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1309 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 984 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 945 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 1003 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 1033 Views
I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 974 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1077 Views
I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 1012 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1432 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 1029 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 1021 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 902 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 597 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 540 Views
The Reds aren't petty - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 890 Views
Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 1017 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 1022 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 1008 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 917 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 1052 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 990 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 995 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 1058 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 935 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 970 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1061 Views
So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1129 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 881 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 947 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 1047 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 1023 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 874 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 885 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 986 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 1022 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 842 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 1012 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 937 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 836 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 1050 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 854 Views
Interesting. - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 941 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 963 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 898 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 898 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1091 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 918 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 1052 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 1075 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 1052 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 947 Views
That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 933 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 935 Views
Why are they lumped together? - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1218 Views
for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 920 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 945 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1060 Views
No, I don't think so - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 885 Views
Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 1003 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 969 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 975 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 815 Views

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