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Too convulted to make any sense... Etzel Send a noteboard - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM
From a literal standpoint it only makes sense that Graendal was killed by Rand. The "Graendal somehow survived"-theories (which remind of the ideas that Sammael or Osan'gar survived somehow) would be an unnecessary twist such late in the story. Considering that RJ wanted to wrap up things, it's clear that Graendal was balefired in a powerful scene, because she wasn't needed anymore and to emphasise Rand's hardness. As it is made clear in the book, Graendal simply couldn't predict that Rand would "punch her in the face" in such a way.

Besides that, Graendal tells in TGS, prologue, that Aran'gar doesn't know where her lair is. Thus nothing suggests that Aran'gar would go to Graendal (Aran'gar can certainly find other, more neutral refugees).
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 2162 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 1103 Views
Too convulted...... - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 1341 Views
The logic is rather... - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 1009 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 1181 Views
Indeed... - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 1090 Views
Re: Indeed... - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 1147 Views
That is wrong - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 989 Views
Re: That is wrong - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 1058 Views
It's not at all... - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 968 Views
Plus... - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 898 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 970 Views
exactly - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 978 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 1035 Views
sorry but no - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 1112 Views
Exactly - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 955 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 527 Views
Actually... - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 1006 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 1153 Views
It makes perfect sense. - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 1017 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 667 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 1110 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 1082 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 1002 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 1057 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 626 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 528 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 1063 Views
Huh - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 1049 Views
Why did the lair explode? - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 1009 Views
*NM* - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 685 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 1188 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 895 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 988 Views
... - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1166 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 934 Views
Provide a quote. - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 1062 Views
read the chapter - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 905 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 1029 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 1119 Views
Was that what I asked for? - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 867 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 917 Views
Oh if that's what you want - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 1033 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 915 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 898 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 992 Views
Nonsense. - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 1036 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 1038 Views
Which ones? - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 910 Views
Re: Which ones? - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 1010 Views
Well. - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 894 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 977 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 1053 Views
Thanks for the quote. - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 1124 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 916 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 923 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 1057 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 832 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 1077 Views
No. Don't think so. - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 908 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 1060 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 977 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 1059 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 993 Views
Yip - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 963 Views
Lame. - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 901 Views
Not really - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 861 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 578 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 904 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 996 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 1099 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 358 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 1296 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 1011 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 888 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 865 Views
Because he was right, that's why. - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 887 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 852 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 1111 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 990 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 992 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 937 Views

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