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Re: Indeed... Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM
There is no reason to believe that Graendal told Aran'gar where her lair is (she didn't do it till TGS, prologue). Except for exchanging informations and probably not fighting each other, Graendal and Aran'gar are hardly working together. Nothing suggests that Graendal would suddenly trust Aran'gar that much to tell her where Graendal's lair is, let alone offer Aran'gar and Delana to live there.


Yeah nothing except their encounter in the previous book which strongly hints at a developing alliance. Graendal's lair is the worst kept secret in the series - she's been visited by Sammael, Cyndane and Moghedien, and suddenly its implausible that Aran'gar could be doing the same.

The scene was cleverly written by using the mechanics of balefire and Compulsion to explain how Rand managed to outsmart Graendal with brute force. This was only possible, because Nynaeve found Graendal's trail in time. It would be completely unlike RJ, if his hero Rand was actually unable to kill Graendal and would seem like an idiot in retrospective, just to still have Graendal around in the story to deal with her some time later. This was the perfect death scene for Graendal.


LTT/Rand state several times that Graendal is a superior mind to them. It's completely plausible that she could outsmart even their best plan.
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 2087 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 1048 Views
Too convulted...... - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 1252 Views
The logic is rather... - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 944 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 1116 Views
Indeed... - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 1028 Views
Re: Indeed... - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 1065 Views
That is wrong - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 898 Views
Re: That is wrong - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 995 Views
It's not at all... - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 897 Views
Plus... - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 827 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 906 Views
exactly - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 918 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 968 Views
sorry but no - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 1028 Views
Exactly - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 889 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 494 Views
Actually... - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 938 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 1083 Views
It makes perfect sense. - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 948 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 628 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 1049 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 1015 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 911 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 990 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 595 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 493 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 996 Views
Huh - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 984 Views
Why did the lair explode? - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 922 Views
*NM* - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 645 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 1112 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 826 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 917 Views
... - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1102 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 868 Views
Provide a quote. - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 1005 Views
read the chapter - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 831 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 952 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 1049 Views
Was that what I asked for? - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 802 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 833 Views
Oh if that's what you want - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 971 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 837 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 805 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 924 Views
Nonsense. - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 974 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 969 Views
Which ones? - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 852 Views
Re: Which ones? - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 950 Views
Well. - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 826 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 923 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 970 Views
Thanks for the quote. - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 1040 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 850 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 865 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 986 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 775 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 1018 Views
No. Don't think so. - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 835 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 1000 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 892 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 991 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 908 Views
Yip - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 894 Views
Lame. - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 841 Views
Not really - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 795 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 537 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 843 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 929 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 1035 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 326 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 1214 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 949 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 823 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 810 Views
Because he was right, that's why. - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 824 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 764 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 1046 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 923 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 925 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 873 Views

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