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Re: Indeed... Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM
There is no reason to believe that Graendal told Aran'gar where her lair is (she didn't do it till TGS, prologue). Except for exchanging informations and probably not fighting each other, Graendal and Aran'gar are hardly working together. Nothing suggests that Graendal would suddenly trust Aran'gar that much to tell her where Graendal's lair is, let alone offer Aran'gar and Delana to live there.


Yeah nothing except their encounter in the previous book which strongly hints at a developing alliance. Graendal's lair is the worst kept secret in the series - she's been visited by Sammael, Cyndane and Moghedien, and suddenly its implausible that Aran'gar could be doing the same.

The scene was cleverly written by using the mechanics of balefire and Compulsion to explain how Rand managed to outsmart Graendal with brute force. This was only possible, because Nynaeve found Graendal's trail in time. It would be completely unlike RJ, if his hero Rand was actually unable to kill Graendal and would seem like an idiot in retrospective, just to still have Graendal around in the story to deal with her some time later. This was the perfect death scene for Graendal.


LTT/Rand state several times that Graendal is a superior mind to them. It's completely plausible that she could outsmart even their best plan.
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 2255 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 1194 Views
Too convulted...... - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 1443 Views
The logic is rather... - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 1098 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 1268 Views
Indeed... - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 1176 Views
Re: Indeed... - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 1249 Views
That is wrong - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 1088 Views
Re: That is wrong - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 1179 Views
It's not at all... - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 1056 Views
Plus... - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 994 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 1062 Views
exactly - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 1066 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 1126 Views
sorry but no - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 1200 Views
Exactly - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 1042 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 572 Views
Actually... - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 1087 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 1237 Views
It makes perfect sense. - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 1100 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 711 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 1195 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 1178 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 1093 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 1153 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 671 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 562 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 1155 Views
Huh - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 1143 Views
Why did the lair explode? - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 1100 Views
*NM* - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 734 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 1281 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 991 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 1083 Views
... - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1256 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 1018 Views
Provide a quote. - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 1147 Views
read the chapter - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 980 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 1134 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 1210 Views
Was that what I asked for? - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 969 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 999 Views
Oh if that's what you want - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 1113 Views
Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. - 11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM 1038 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 1012 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 1024 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 1072 Views
Nonsense. - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 1121 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 1128 Views
Which ones? - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 1011 Views
Re: Which ones? - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 1107 Views
Well. - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 989 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 1077 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 1164 Views
Thanks for the quote. - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 1215 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 1013 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 1006 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 1133 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 926 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 1175 Views
No. Don't think so. - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 996 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 1163 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 1080 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 1147 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 1084 Views
Yip - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 1051 Views
Lame. - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 987 Views
Not really - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 949 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 621 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 994 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 1086 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 1183 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 403 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 1391 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 1098 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 986 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 960 Views
Because he was right, that's why. - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 960 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 943 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 1204 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 1102 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 1090 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 1025 Views

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