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Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM

Ramshalan knew Nynaeve was with Rand and basically sat there listening to Rand's plan before he strolled into Graendal's lair... I don't know why people think this is so implausible. We know Graendal would have interrogated him in her Basene disguise and gleaned more information that he even realized he knew.


That is not accurate. Rand was not telling that he would check for Compulsion and balefire the f..k out of the whole palace.
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Sidious - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 2233 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 1171 Views
Too convulted...... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 1424 Views
The logic is rather... Etzel - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 1081 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? Artsapat - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 1247 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 1158 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 1216 Views
That is wrong Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 1066 Views
Re: That is wrong Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 1155 Views
It's not at all... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 1034 Views
Plus... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 973 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. Logain - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 1033 Views
exactly darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 1045 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? Lohikaarme - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 1106 Views
sorry but no dacole - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 1178 Views
Exactly Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 1026 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 561 Views
Actually... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 1066 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 1213 Views
It makes perfect sense. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 1080 Views
I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM 1109 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 702 Views
Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS) krassos - 13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM 1011 Views
If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion? beetnemesis - 13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM 1302 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 1177 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 1158 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 1066 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Underwood - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 1132 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 660 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* Underwood - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 553 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 1136 Views
Huh Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 1116 Views
Why did the lair explode? Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 1082 Views
*NM* Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 718 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. Mik - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 1256 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 971 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 1064 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1237 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 1001 Views
Provide a quote. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 1125 Views
read the chapter darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 959 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 1118 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 1188 Views
Was that what I asked for? Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 950 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 979 Views
Oh if that's what you want darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 1094 Views
Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM 1020 Views
Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM 1008 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 990 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 1001 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 1053 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 1100 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 1105 Views
Which ones? Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 982 Views
Re: Which ones? Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 1084 Views
Well. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 964 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 1051 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 1138 Views
Thanks for the quote. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 1190 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 992 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion BlackAdder - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 984 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 1118 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 911 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 1153 Views
No. Don't think so. Tom - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 971 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 1142 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 1056 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 1129 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 1061 Views
Yip Sidious - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 1035 Views
Lame. eucatastrophe - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 964 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 928 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* Yunalesca - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 609 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 969 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 1063 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 1160 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* Lord Haart - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 391 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 1370 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Underwood - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 1072 Views
Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die? Gher - 16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM 985 Views
Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM* Gher - 16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM 514 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? scooter - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 968 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 931 Views
Because he was right, that's why. Terez - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 944 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 915 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible Terez - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 1183 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 1075 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* scooter - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 1069 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 1000 Views
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