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Too convulted...... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM
From a literal standpoint it only makes sense that Graendal was killed by Rand. The "Graendal somehow survived"-theories (which remind of the ideas that Sammael or Osan'gar survived somehow) would be an unnecessary twist such late in the story. Considering that RJ wanted to wrap up things, it's clear that Graendal was balefired in a powerful scene, because she wasn't needed anymore and to emphasise Rand's hardness. As it is made clear in the book, Graendal simply couldn't predict that Rand would "punch her in the face" in such a way.

Besides that, Graendal tells in TGS, prologue, that Aran'gar doesn't know where her lair is. Thus nothing suggests that Aran'gar would go to Graendal (Aran'gar can certainly find other, more neutral refugees).


As in Slayer, a character who we knew nothing about in regards to his powers....was hanging out in a place which he hasn't been to for decades....was watching a man who he knew could channel and kill him...but was watching a man who's location was unknown to him prior to this...who happened to stumble upon him...who he killed and took the body, harp, and removed all evidence (blood, disrupted environment, etc).

And *this* is too confulted? ;)

I'm just saying.

As for a huge twist like this at the end of the series...unlikely, but possible. As for Graendal not being able to recognize that Rand would "punch her in the face"....who said she had too. 1) There was more than enough time for a regular exit...let alone a dramatic, jump-through-the-gateway type of exit. 2) Do you honestly think that Rand could out think Graendal? How many mid-20 year olds can out think a trained, experienced professional?

~Jeordam
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Sidious - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 1917 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 882 Views
Too convulted...... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 997 Views
The logic is rather... Etzel - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 771 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? Artsapat - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 947 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 863 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 898 Views
That is wrong Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 732 Views
Re: That is wrong Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 819 Views
It's not at all... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 734 Views
Plus... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 668 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. Logain - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 738 Views
exactly darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 740 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? Lohikaarme - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 804 Views
sorry but no dacole - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 862 Views
Exactly Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 751 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 425 Views
Actually... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 777 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 921 Views
It makes perfect sense. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 785 Views
I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM 786 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 551 Views
Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS) krassos - 13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM 699 Views
If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion? beetnemesis - 13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM 945 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 847 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 860 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 761 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Underwood - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 824 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 516 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* Underwood - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 421 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 826 Views
Huh Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 798 Views
Why did the lair explode? Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 744 Views
*NM* Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 578 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. Mik - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 928 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 650 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 739 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 938 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 699 Views
Provide a quote. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 837 Views
read the chapter darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 660 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 783 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 857 Views
Was that what I asked for? Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 628 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 635 Views
Oh if that's what you want darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 800 Views
Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM 707 Views
Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM 706 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 663 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 643 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 745 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 771 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 798 Views
Which ones? Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 684 Views
Re: Which ones? Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 780 Views
Well. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 659 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 754 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 823 Views
Thanks for the quote. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 844 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 672 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion BlackAdder - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 690 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 794 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 610 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 851 Views
No. Don't think so. Tom - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 669 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 834 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 750 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 808 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 719 Views
Yip Sidious - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 727 Views
Lame. eucatastrophe - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 677 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 620 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* Yunalesca - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 465 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 677 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 765 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 865 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* Lord Haart - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 251 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 944 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Underwood - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 776 Views
Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die? Gher - 16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM 591 Views
Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM* Gher - 16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM 356 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? scooter - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 677 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 646 Views
Because he was right, that's why. Terez - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 657 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 591 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible Terez - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 880 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 755 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* scooter - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 754 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 701 Views
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