yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM
Why wasn't Liandrin able to use Compulsion then, even after she'd seen Moghedien's? She specifically says all that she'd been able to figure out (TFoH 34), quite clearly your idea that people can learn weaves just by seeing them is ridiculous. And Liandrin is much stronger than Delana, and Moghedien's Compulsion is far less intricate than Graendal's!
As for whe she would flee after Ramshalan's visit, I can't accept "but Graendal is smart!" as a valid reason. Intelligence does not grant omniscience.
As for whe she would flee after Ramshalan's visit, I can't accept "but Graendal is smart!" as a valid reason. Intelligence does not grant omniscience.
Moghedien used Compulsion ON Liandrin, she didn't demonstrate the friggin weave to her!
There are dozens of examples in the text of channelers copying a weave ... Logain with Deathgates, Rand following Rahvin and Sammael's gateways ... the list goes on and on.
I'm not saying Graendal knew Rand was going to Balefire her, I'm saying it would have been very easy for her to figure out that he was hot on her trail. She did have other evidence though since her spies are everywhere is seems likely she knows:
1. He was openly using BF against the Forsaken (Moridin may have even told her about the Dream)
2. He has the CK at hand
3. He is no longer reluctant to kill women
4. She was part of the plot to break his heart so she knows he's in a delicate mental place
it's not impossible for her to have thought about his options and taken precautions. Given that she has an as of yet undisclosed agreement with Aran'gar it's possible that Delana is hanging around her now too.
For the record I think she's most likely dead. I just think if she is alive this is the most likely explanation.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM
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Too convulted to make any sense...
13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM
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What is the reason Delana is with Graendal?
13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM
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Indeed...
13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM
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Re: Indeed...
13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM
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That is wrong
13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM
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Re: That is wrong
13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM
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Plus...
13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM
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sorry but no
13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM
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Exactly
13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM
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It makes perfect sense.
13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM
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I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text
13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM
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This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM*
13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM
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Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS)
13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM
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If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion?
13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM
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Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand.
13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM
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I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted.
13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM
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Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them
13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM
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Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them
13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM
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What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple.
13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM
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Huh
14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM
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Why did the lair explode?
14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM
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While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail.
14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM
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What did Rand tell Ramshalan...
14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM
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Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan...
14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM
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...
14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM
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he doesn't have to read Rands mind
14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM
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Provide a quote.
15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM
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read the chapter
10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM
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Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't.
10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM
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sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate
11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM
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Oh if that's what you want
11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM
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Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress.
11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM
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Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress.
11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM
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why does it have to be a well thought out plan?
14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM
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She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion.
14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM
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No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate
14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM
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Nonsense.
14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM
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yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance
14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM
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Which ones?
15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM
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Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted.
14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM
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She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion
13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM
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we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves
14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM
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I so desperately want you to be right.
14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM
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Graendal being alive would make more of a statement...
14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM
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Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM*
13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM
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Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die?
16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM
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Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM*
16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM
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Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers*
10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM
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Because he was right, that's why.
11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM
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Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers*
11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM
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