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Re: This report was probably a misinterpretation Datakim Send a noteboard - 14/07/2010 10:03:36 PM

Here RJ rather implies that the hanging was the fulfillment, but in the end he uses RAFO. This makes clear that the reports from 1996 probably also didn't got definite answers, but were just misinterpretations by the posters.


Maybe. Or it could be that RJ did answer that in 96. But he forgot that he had already given a definite answer and in the 99 answer he does the usual "vague-answer-RAFO" thing to try and keep the speculation going. Unfortunately I don't think we will ever know for sure.


As said, BS indicates as well that the hanging was the fulfillment, and he knows the notes.


BS has made mistakes before. He does not remember the notes with full clarity (perfectly understandable) afterall.


It actually also would make sense, because in the balefire incident Mat never died. Besides that, the whole Prophecy states: "To die and live again, and live once more a part of what was". The last part obviously refers to the old memories Mat got from the Eelfinn. But Mat already began to use these memories immediately after the hanging incident, not only after the balefire incident. Thus, it's more likely that the hanging fulfilled the Prophecy.


True enough. One thing that puzzles me a bit about this is that the prophecy basically says that Mat will live twice. Could it be that "live once more" means recovery from the hanging and "live again" means his resurrection via Balefire, and that the prophecy basically refers to BOTH events. :)

Probably not.
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Chat with Brandon posted on Dragonmount Skeeve the Great - 12/07/2010 04:23:24 PM 2269 Views
This... Etzel - 12/07/2010 04:54:28 PM 1385 Views
how do you get there from this? darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM 1230 Views
Right. There could easily be a scene like this: beetnemesis - 12/07/2010 06:22:45 PM 1163 Views
Because... Etzel - 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM 1204 Views
You're brilliant, Etzel, but Brandon is NOT robert jordan newyorkersedai - 13/07/2010 01:18:44 AM 1147 Views
He said it won't be 100% flashback like book 10 Rurouni_Kenshin - 13/07/2010 05:30:18 AM 1058 Views
But obviously not for the timelines, which are up to date. Etzel - 13/07/2010 08:41:37 AM 1169 Views
the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:39:52 AM 1128 Views
Re: the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer dacole - 14/07/2010 04:54:16 AM 1107 Views
Graendal is part of several plot lines. Aran'gar at the very least is unseen in TGS, but involved darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:40:09 PM 1132 Views
No... Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:10:12 AM 1042 Views
so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM 999 Views
Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM* Etzel - 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM 975 Views
sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM 1191 Views
Again... Etzel - 15/07/2010 08:57:34 AM 933 Views
or it could as easily be a scene from Aran'gar's POV that includes Graendal darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:36:21 PM 1090 Views
The point is... Etzel - 15/07/2010 01:55:43 PM 1042 Views
that is 100% your interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:51:49 PM 1098 Views
Noal was involved with Ishy; a connection to Graendal is pure speculation. Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:19:38 PM 999 Views
I'm pointing out that she had more than just Rands plot line darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 03:59:36 PM 1005 Views
As far as we know... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:06:56 PM 1082 Views
she also knows what Cyndane and Moghedien are up to and may be involved darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 01:58:36 PM 1199 Views
There is nothing to support your view, that Graendal was directly involved in any other plotlines... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:31:01 PM 965 Views
She doesn't have to be in order to make an appearance in them darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:26:44 PM 1064 Views
We will see... *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:36:21 PM 1268 Views
Indeed Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:49:43 AM 981 Views
The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM 1192 Views
give up Eztel...they think they know Asmodens killer...we know they are wrong dacole - 13/07/2010 09:45:15 AM 1065 Views
I agree regarding Graendal, but have to disagree concerning Lanfear. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:51:00 AM 1258 Views
Re: The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:03:14 AM 1106 Views
It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:25:36 AM 1171 Views
you keep trotting this point out like it matters darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:07:36 PM 1055 Views
a very irritating habit indeed!! Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM 1160 Views
There is no indication that Graendal & Aran'gar did anything, except for exchanging infos! Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:01:58 AM 996 Views
where do you get this stuff from? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:41:07 PM 1199 Views
Eh, no Etzel - 15/07/2010 02:08:56 PM 1069 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:56:02 PM 1053 Views
Graendal actually tells that she learned interesting things from Aran'gar Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:14:54 PM 1159 Views
pure interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:00:31 PM 1057 Views
Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM 1141 Views
No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM* darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM 476 Views
Aran'gar just had the luck that Rand wasn't after her Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:34:53 PM 877 Views
Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 15/07/2010 06:54:17 PM 1026 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Etzel - 15/07/2010 10:08:44 PM 1043 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 16/07/2010 05:30:25 AM 997 Views
IMO... Etzel - 16/07/2010 08:46:03 AM 975 Views
And... Etzel - 16/07/2010 11:35:44 AM 1080 Views
you continue to ignore that Graendal died about 2 months after she darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 02:06:48 PM 1146 Views
Usually the Forsaken meet in neutral TAR... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:22:34 PM 1140 Views
not really darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:58:57 PM 1217 Views
Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM 1211 Views
Trust me, Graendal won't be seen; only her name will be mentioned a few times (as BS said). *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM 1047 Views
You should really just write it for BS since you clearly know exactly what's going to happen darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:57:59 PM 1110 Views
Ok... Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:17:02 PM 971 Views
When did I say there would be a Graendal POV? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:03:54 PM 1043 Views
I also just said that... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:10:32 PM 945 Views
Re: It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:10:48 PM 1000 Views
But we never... Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM 1057 Views
Re: But we never... Datakim - 15/07/2010 10:52:24 PM 1012 Views
I think Etzel - 16/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 1103 Views
Re: I think Datakim - 16/07/2010 04:37:20 PM 1108 Views
Yeah, RAFO! I predigt however, that we won't have another Graendal PoV. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:59:26 PM 1016 Views
Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. Logain - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM 1172 Views
I admit the possibility, but consider it highly unlikely for the reasons I pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:58:01 PM 1115 Views
Because some people can't read... DomA - 14/07/2010 01:05:08 PM 1171 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:14:27 PM 930 Views
Re: Because some people can't read... Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:31:22 AM 956 Views
Rand used so much baelfire on her that he zapped them all back to the last 3rd Age darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:38:48 PM 1170 Views
I wonder if their big role means Rand and Eg will get more chapters than first thought. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2010 05:27:44 PM 1087 Views
Yeah, seems so. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:19:53 PM 1040 Views
Brandon's "Mostly" answer makes it less likely we see the Land of Madmen as Demandred's base Logain - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1237 Views
hrmm, not necessarily Kieran - 12/07/2010 09:28:00 PM 1017 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:24:21 PM 502 Views
Uh... TaskmasterJack - 12/07/2010 10:10:08 PM 1118 Views
or "can't" because ... Shishka - 12/07/2010 10:34:14 PM 988 Views
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On a somewhat related note, Sanderson says ToM consists of 80 chapters as of now. Ginormous! RandAllThor - 13/07/2010 01:54:15 AM 983 Views
Perrin catch-up? Comet Sedai - 13/07/2010 02:55:22 AM 961 Views
We will get it on screen Deadsy - 13/07/2010 03:30:33 AM 1002 Views
On Mat's "death" Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:34:35 PM 1237 Views
Re: On Mat's "death" Datakim - 13/07/2010 02:23:19 PM 957 Views
This report was probably a misinterpretation Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:23:24 AM 1087 Views
Re: This report was probably a misinterpretation Datakim - 14/07/2010 10:03:36 PM 1091 Views
I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A! Mats imaginary friend - 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM 1011 Views
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