Again,
Incidentally, in order for Graendal to learn this, she would have to Compel Ramshalan. Given that you claim that she only thought of the channeling pawn scheme after getting information from Ramshalan, why would she have someone else Compel him in the first place? Again, it is impossible.
Either Graendal had someone else Compel Ramshalan from the moment he arrived, which would make anything she learned from him irrelevant, or she did Compel him, and your entire argument is moot.
I suggest you reread that passage, what Rand says is that Graendal is so much smarter than him and that he has no way of matching her, and that he needs to get some allies who are more clever than her (to say nothing of that absurd idea about allying with Graendal, which she surely wouldn't buy after Sammael tried that trick), there is nothing that indicates that Rand is going to balefire her palace in the next few minutes (or days, or even weeks), everything in that conversation suggests Rand is stumped and is unable to find an answer to dealing with Graendal.
Incidentally, in order for Graendal to learn this, she would have to Compel Ramshalan. Given that you claim that she only thought of the channeling pawn scheme after getting information from Ramshalan, why would she have someone else Compel him in the first place? Again, it is impossible.
Either Graendal had someone else Compel Ramshalan from the moment he arrived, which would make anything she learned from him irrelevant, or she did Compel him, and your entire argument is moot.
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This message last edited by Fanatic-Templar on 15/07/2010 at 04:18:40 AM
What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
- 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM
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Too convulted to make any sense...
- 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM
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What is the reason Delana is with Graendal?
- 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM
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Indeed...
- 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM
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Re: Indeed...
- 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM
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That is wrong
- 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM
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Re: That is wrong
- 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM
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Plus...
- 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM
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sorry but no
- 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM
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Exactly
- 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM
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It makes perfect sense.
- 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM
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I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text
- 13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM
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This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM*
- 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM
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Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS)
- 13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM
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If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion?
- 13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM
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Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand.
- 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM
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I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted.
- 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM
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Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them
- 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM
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- 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM
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Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them
- 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM
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- 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM
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What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple.
- 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM
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Huh
- 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM
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Why did the lair explode?
- 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM
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While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail.
- 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM
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What did Rand tell Ramshalan...
- 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM
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Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan...
- 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM
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...
- 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM
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he doesn't have to read Rands mind
- 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM
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Provide a quote.
- 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM
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read the chapter
- 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM
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Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't.
- 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM
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sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate
- 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM
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- 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM
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Oh if that's what you want
- 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM
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Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress.
- 11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM
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Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress.
- 11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM
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why does it have to be a well thought out plan?
- 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM
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She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion.
- 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM
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No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate
- 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM
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Nonsense.
- 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM
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yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance
- 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM
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Which ones?
- 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM
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Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted.
- 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM
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She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion
- 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM
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we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves
- 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM
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I so desperately want you to be right.
- 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM
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Graendal being alive would make more of a statement...
- 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
- 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
- 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
- 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM
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Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM*
- 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM
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Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die?
- 16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM
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Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM*
- 16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM
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Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory?
- 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM
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Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers*
- 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM
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Because he was right, that's why.
- 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM
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Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers*
- 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM
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