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Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Etzel Send a noteboard - 15/07/2010 10:08:44 PM
Therefore, also the idea that Aran'gar and Delana would suddenly live in Graendal's palace is completely unsupported and unlikely (IMO, even absurd) speculation.

You're twisting my words. I have never said that they are living in her palace. It's possible that Delana is permanent resident, and that Aran'gar comes by on occasion much like Sammael did. could Aran'gar have been there when Rand arrived? Absolutely! Was Nynaeve in TAR at the exact moment that Rand was being attacked by Rahvin...???

Besides that, I don't know how you can call anything absurd. Aran'gar is homeless after being discovered. She could be anywhere.


Nothing indicates that Aran'gar or Delana were there. By your logic one could argue in the same way that anyone else was probably there: Moridin, Demandred, Fain and SH probably just had a party at Graendal's palace...

BS can answer plot points in other ways than bringing a character back in such a scene before the death. That would at least fit with the way the series is written.

Except for your massive lapse in memory that CoT was almost entirely a flashback of the Cleansing.


As far as I know, Osan'gar didn't appear in CoT. Very strange, he died in WH, consequently he should have a flashback PoV or at least appear on-screen in the next book to give us further info on his plots! 8}
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Chat with Brandon posted on Dragonmount Skeeve the Great - 12/07/2010 04:23:24 PM 2053 Views
This... Etzel - 12/07/2010 04:54:28 PM 1199 Views
how do you get there from this? darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM 1048 Views
Right. There could easily be a scene like this: beetnemesis - 12/07/2010 06:22:45 PM 981 Views
Because... Etzel - 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM 1004 Views
You're brilliant, Etzel, but Brandon is NOT robert jordan newyorkersedai - 13/07/2010 01:18:44 AM 952 Views
He said it won't be 100% flashback like book 10 Rurouni_Kenshin - 13/07/2010 05:30:18 AM 856 Views
But obviously not for the timelines, which are up to date. Etzel - 13/07/2010 08:41:37 AM 974 Views
the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:39:52 AM 958 Views
Re: the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer dacole - 14/07/2010 04:54:16 AM 917 Views
Graendal is part of several plot lines. Aran'gar at the very least is unseen in TGS, but involved darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:40:09 PM 927 Views
No... Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:10:12 AM 851 Views
so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM 822 Views
Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM* Etzel - 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM 791 Views
sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM 993 Views
Again... Etzel - 15/07/2010 08:57:34 AM 750 Views
or it could as easily be a scene from Aran'gar's POV that includes Graendal darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:36:21 PM 916 Views
The point is... Etzel - 15/07/2010 01:55:43 PM 844 Views
that is 100% your interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:51:49 PM 875 Views
Noal was involved with Ishy; a connection to Graendal is pure speculation. Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:19:38 PM 780 Views
I'm pointing out that she had more than just Rands plot line darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 03:59:36 PM 781 Views
As far as we know... Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:06:56 PM 833 Views
she also knows what Cyndane and Moghedien are up to and may be involved darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 01:58:36 PM 991 Views
There is nothing to support your view, that Graendal was directly involved in any other plotlines... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:31:01 PM 758 Views
She doesn't have to be in order to make an appearance in them darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:26:44 PM 887 Views
We will see... *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:36:21 PM 1079 Views
Indeed Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:49:43 AM 807 Views
The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM 992 Views
give up Eztel...they think they know Asmodens killer...we know they are wrong dacole - 13/07/2010 09:45:15 AM 879 Views
I agree regarding Graendal, but have to disagree concerning Lanfear. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:51:00 AM 1055 Views
Re: The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:03:14 AM 922 Views
It's completely unlikely and unnecessary Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:25:36 AM 986 Views
you keep trotting this point out like it matters darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:07:36 PM 873 Views
a very irritating habit indeed!! Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM 976 Views
There is no indication that Graendal & Aran'gar did anything, except for exchanging infos! Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:01:58 AM 801 Views
where do you get this stuff from? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:41:07 PM 1012 Views
Eh, no Etzel - 15/07/2010 02:08:56 PM 867 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:56:02 PM 833 Views
Graendal actually tells that she learned interesting things from Aran'gar Etzel - 15/07/2010 03:14:54 PM 956 Views
pure interpretation darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:00:31 PM 887 Views
Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM 953 Views
No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM* darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM 386 Views
Aran'gar just had the luck that Rand wasn't after her Etzel - 16/07/2010 03:34:53 PM 689 Views
Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 15/07/2010 06:54:17 PM 813 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Etzel - 15/07/2010 10:08:44 PM 858 Views
Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing Sidious - 16/07/2010 05:30:25 AM 813 Views
IMO... Etzel - 16/07/2010 08:46:03 AM 772 Views
And... Etzel - 16/07/2010 11:35:44 AM 881 Views
you continue to ignore that Graendal died about 2 months after she darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 02:06:48 PM 904 Views
Usually the Forsaken meet in neutral TAR... Etzel - 16/07/2010 02:22:34 PM 946 Views
not really darius_sedai - 16/07/2010 03:58:57 PM 1026 Views
Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM 997 Views
Trust me, Graendal won't be seen; only her name will be mentioned a few times (as BS said). *NM* Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM 875 Views
You should really just write it for BS since you clearly know exactly what's going to happen darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 02:57:59 PM 885 Views
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When did I say there would be a Graendal POV? darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 04:03:54 PM 869 Views
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But we never... Etzel - 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM 868 Views
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Yeah, RAFO! I predigt however, that we won't have another Graendal PoV. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:59:26 PM 853 Views
Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true. Logain - 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM 964 Views
I admit the possibility, but consider it highly unlikely for the reasons I pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 05:58:01 PM 925 Views
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Rand used so much baelfire on her that he zapped them all back to the last 3rd Age darius_sedai - 15/07/2010 01:38:48 PM 980 Views
I wonder if their big role means Rand and Eg will get more chapters than first thought. *NM* RandAllThor - 12/07/2010 05:27:44 PM 905 Views
Yeah, seems so. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:19:53 PM 872 Views
Brandon's "Mostly" answer makes it less likely we see the Land of Madmen as Demandred's base Logain - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1025 Views
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I agree. *NM* Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:24:21 PM 422 Views
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This report was probably a misinterpretation Etzel - 14/07/2010 08:23:24 AM 882 Views
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I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A! Mats imaginary friend - 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM 830 Views
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