Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM*
Etzel Send a noteboard - 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM
Especially if they don't completely trust each other, as one can suspect with Graendal and Aran'gar, who never worked together before. Graendal and Sammael were already quite close in the AoL, thus it's not surprising that Graendal would tell him about her lair (contrary to Aran'gar).
I definitely think, though, that it's likely that Graendal and Aran'gar met once or twice in TAR between the prologue of TGS and Graendal's death. However, nothing suggests that Graendal would tell Aran'gar about her lair or that they were closely working together on some project, but just exchanging infos. That Aran'gar lost her power base could make her even less valuable in Graendal's eyes. Probably both were anyway rather busy on their very own plots in the last weeks till Graendal's death so that they didn't see each other that often.
Actually I didn't start the discussion, if Graendal will have a PoV in ToM. Other people suddenly suggested that it's very likely that we will see Graendal again and that she will have a PoV in ToM, although she died, or even claimed that BS stated that we'll see Graendal again, because they obviously misinterpreted BS's comments about the timelines & that Graendal's name will be mentioned in ToM a few times. I just pointed out the reasons then, why it is highly unlikely that Graendal will be seen again, let alone have a PoV in ToM, if she died in TGS. Apparently you agree with this.
As said, I think most likely Aran'gar will muse about Graendal, their last meeting & her death, at whatever location Aran'gar is staying now or during a Forsaken meeting.
I definitely think, though, that it's likely that Graendal and Aran'gar met once or twice in TAR between the prologue of TGS and Graendal's death. However, nothing suggests that Graendal would tell Aran'gar about her lair or that they were closely working together on some project, but just exchanging infos. That Aran'gar lost her power base could make her even less valuable in Graendal's eyes. Probably both were anyway rather busy on their very own plots in the last weeks till Graendal's death so that they didn't see each other that often.
Actually I didn't start the discussion, if Graendal will have a PoV in ToM. Other people suddenly suggested that it's very likely that we will see Graendal again and that she will have a PoV in ToM, although she died, or even claimed that BS stated that we'll see Graendal again, because they obviously misinterpreted BS's comments about the timelines & that Graendal's name will be mentioned in ToM a few times. I just pointed out the reasons then, why it is highly unlikely that Graendal will be seen again, let alone have a PoV in ToM, if she died in TGS. Apparently you agree with this.
As said, I think most likely Aran'gar will muse about Graendal, their last meeting & her death, at whatever location Aran'gar is staying now or during a Forsaken meeting.
That seems to be the case when many of them meet, but Graendal has had plenty of visitors: Asmodean, Moghedien, Sammael, and Moridin have all had face to face meetings with her either in her lair or in theirs... we've actually not seen that many TAR meetings recently, and we also know that Aran'gar is not as adept there as others, which IMO would make her less willing to have a meeting there when it would put her on weaker footing.
I don't think it's likely Graendal will have a POV in ToM unless she's actually alive, but I don't think it's a stretch to have a scene with her in it prior to her death. Nothing Sanderson has said eliminates that possibility.
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- 12/07/2010 04:23:24 PM
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This...
- 12/07/2010 04:54:28 PM
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how do you get there from this?
- 12/07/2010 05:47:42 PM
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Because...
- 12/07/2010 10:40:29 PM
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the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer
- 14/07/2010 02:39:52 AM
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Re: the only reason you say this is because you think it makes Slayer
- 14/07/2010 04:54:16 AM
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Graendal is part of several plot lines. Aran'gar at the very least is unseen in TGS, but involved
- 14/07/2010 02:40:09 PM
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No...
- 14/07/2010 08:10:12 AM
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so it's not possible for anything that has never been done in the series to happen... ok
- 14/07/2010 02:38:08 PM
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Again, there is no sensible reason for a scene where Graendal is shown again before her death. *NM*
- 14/07/2010 04:47:21 PM
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sure there is ... to tell us she killed Asmo
- 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM
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- 14/07/2010 04:56:09 PM
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Again...
- 15/07/2010 08:57:34 AM
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or it could as easily be a scene from Aran'gar's POV that includes Graendal
- 15/07/2010 01:36:21 PM
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The point is...
- 15/07/2010 01:55:43 PM
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that is 100% your interpretation
- 15/07/2010 02:51:49 PM
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Noal was involved with Ishy; a connection to Graendal is pure speculation.
- 15/07/2010 03:19:38 PM
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I'm pointing out that she had more than just Rands plot line
- 15/07/2010 03:59:36 PM
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As far as we know...
- 15/07/2010 04:06:56 PM
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she also knows what Cyndane and Moghedien are up to and may be involved
- 16/07/2010 01:58:36 PM
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There is nothing to support your view, that Graendal was directly involved in any other plotlines...
- 16/07/2010 02:31:01 PM
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Indeed
- 13/07/2010 08:49:43 AM
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The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet...
- 13/07/2010 09:14:04 AM
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give up Eztel...they think they know Asmodens killer...we know they are wrong
- 13/07/2010 09:45:15 AM
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I agree regarding Graendal, but have to disagree concerning Lanfear.
*NM*
- 13/07/2010 09:51:00 AM
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*NM*
- 13/07/2010 09:51:00 AM
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Re: The "flashbacks" are obviously related to those characters, which aren't up to date yet...
- 13/07/2010 10:03:14 AM
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It's completely unlikely and unnecessary
- 13/07/2010 10:25:36 AM
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you keep trotting this point out like it matters
- 14/07/2010 09:07:36 PM
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a very irritating habit indeed!!
- 15/07/2010 05:29:19 AM
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There is no indication that Graendal & Aran'gar did anything, except for exchanging infos!
- 15/07/2010 09:01:58 AM
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where do you get this stuff from?
- 15/07/2010 01:41:07 PM
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Eh, no
- 15/07/2010 02:08:56 PM
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I disagree
- 15/07/2010 02:56:02 PM
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Graendal actually tells that she learned interesting things from Aran'gar
- 15/07/2010 03:14:54 PM
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pure interpretation
- 15/07/2010 04:00:31 PM
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Well, it fits RJ's theme that the bad guys actually aren't that competent. *NM*
- 15/07/2010 04:12:19 PM
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No really since it would make Aran'gar look pretty competent *NM*
- 16/07/2010 03:27:40 PM
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Exchanging info is not doing nothing
- 15/07/2010 06:54:17 PM
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Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing
- 15/07/2010 10:08:44 PM
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Re: Exchanging info is not doing nothing
- 16/07/2010 05:30:25 AM
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And...
- 16/07/2010 11:35:44 AM
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you continue to ignore that Graendal died about 2 months after she
- 16/07/2010 02:06:48 PM
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Usually the Forsaken meet in neutral TAR...
- 16/07/2010 02:22:34 PM
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not really
- 16/07/2010 03:58:57 PM
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Good, then we agree, if you consider it unlikely as well. *NM*
- 16/07/2010 05:56:50 PM
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Trust me, Graendal won't be seen; only her name will be mentioned a few times (as BS said).
*NM*
- 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM
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*NM*
- 15/07/2010 09:03:33 AM
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You should really just write it for BS since you clearly know exactly what's going to happen
- 15/07/2010 02:57:59 PM
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Ok...
- 15/07/2010 03:17:02 PM
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Re: It's completely unlikely and unnecessary
- 14/07/2010 10:10:48 PM
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But we never...
- 15/07/2010 09:17:30 AM
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Re: But we never...
- 15/07/2010 10:52:24 PM
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I think
- 16/07/2010 09:30:46 AM
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Re: I think
- 16/07/2010 04:37:20 PM
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Yeah, RAFO! I predigt however, that we won't have another Graendal PoV. *NM*
- 16/07/2010 05:59:26 PM
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Etzel, you're making an assumption that might not be true.
- 16/07/2010 05:47:39 PM
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I admit the possibility, but consider it highly unlikely for the reasons I pointed out. *NM*
- 16/07/2010 05:58:01 PM
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Because some people can't read...
- 14/07/2010 01:05:08 PM
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Re: Because some people can't read...
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Re: Because some people can't read...
- 15/07/2010 05:31:22 AM
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Rand used so much baelfire on her that he zapped them all back to the last 3rd Age
- 15/07/2010 01:38:48 PM
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I wonder if their big role means Rand and Eg will get more chapters than first thought. *NM*
- 12/07/2010 05:27:44 PM
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Brandon's "Mostly" answer makes it less likely we see the Land of Madmen as Demandred's base
- 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM
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On a somewhat related note, Sanderson says ToM consists of 80 chapters as of now. Ginormous!
- 13/07/2010 01:54:15 AM
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On Mat's "death"
- 13/07/2010 12:34:35 PM
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Re: On Mat's "death"
- 13/07/2010 02:23:19 PM
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I emailed BS and he sent me copies of both the books he mentioned in the Q&A!
- 14/07/2010 08:32:58 PM
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