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the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM
I'll admit I can't recall this incident.

The others you named are all exceptionally strong channelers. The same was said about Nynaeve, and she too is noted as being exceptional due to her ability to replicate things after seeing them done just once.

it's not impossible for her to have thought about his options and taken precautions. Given that she has an as of yet undisclosed agreement with Aran'gar it's possible that Delana is hanging around her now too.


I thought the argument you were going for was that it wasn't planned?


Pardon the long quote, but it was hard to read when I tried to edit! I've underlined the pertinent parts for you though

TGS
A Box Opens

Cadsuane made a motion, dismissing the weaves that kept Semirhage from hearing, seeing or speaking. The woman blinked—just once—to clear her vision, then turned to Sorilea and Bair. "Ah," she said. "Aiel. You were such good servants, once. Tell me, how strongly does it bite, knowing how you betrayed your oaths? Your ancestors would cry for punishment if they knew how many deaths lay at the hands of their descendants."

Sorilea gave no reaction. Cadsuane knew some tidbits of what al'Thor had revealed about the Aiel, things that had been said at second or third hand. Al'Thor claimed that the Aiel had once followed the Way of the Leaf, sworn not to do harm, before betraying their oaths. Cadsuane had been interested to learn of these rumors, and she was more interested to hear Semirhage corroborating them.

"She seems so much more human than I had anticipated," Sorilea said to Bair. "Her expressions, her tone, her accent, while strange, are easy to understand. I had not expected that."

Semirhage's eyes narrowed for just a moment at that comment. Odd. That was a stronger reaction than virtually any of the punishments had produced. The flashes of light and sound prompted only slight involuntary twitches. This comment of Sorilea's, however, seemed to affect Semirhage on an emotional level. Would the Wise Ones actually succeed so easily where Cadsuane had long failed?

"I think this is what we need to remember," Bair said. "A woman is just a woman, no matter how old, no matter what secrets she remembers. Flesh can be cut, blood can be spilled, bones can be broken."

"In truth, I feel almost disappointed, Cadsuane Melaidhrin," Sorilea said, shaking a white-haired head. "This monster has very small fangs."

Semirhage reacted no further. Her control was back, her face serene, her eyes imperious. "I have heard some little of you new, oathless Aiel and your interpretations of honor. I will very much enjoy investigating how much pain and suffering it will require before members of your clans will shame themselves. Tell me, how far do you think I would have to pushbefore one of you would kill a blacksmith and dine on his flesh?"

She knew more than "some little" if she understood the near-sacred nature of blacksmiths among the Aiel. Sorilea stiffened at the comment, but let it go. She rewove the ward against listening, then paused, and placed the globes of light in front of Semirhage's eyes as well. Yes, she was weak in the Power, but she was a very quick learner.

See even a very weak channeler can pick things up quickly
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Sidious - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 2233 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 1170 Views
Too convulted...... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 1423 Views
The logic is rather... Etzel - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 1080 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? Artsapat - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 1246 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 1157 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 1216 Views
That is wrong Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 1065 Views
Re: That is wrong Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 1154 Views
It's not at all... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 1033 Views
Plus... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 972 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. Logain - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 1033 Views
exactly darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 1044 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? Lohikaarme - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 1106 Views
sorry but no dacole - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 1177 Views
Exactly Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 1025 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 561 Views
Actually... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 1065 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 1212 Views
It makes perfect sense. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 1079 Views
I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM 1108 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 702 Views
Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS) krassos - 13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM 1010 Views
If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion? beetnemesis - 13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM 1301 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 1176 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 1158 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 1066 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Underwood - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 1131 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 660 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* Underwood - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 553 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 1136 Views
Huh Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 1116 Views
Why did the lair explode? Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 1081 Views
*NM* Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 718 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. Mik - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 1255 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 970 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 1063 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1236 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 1000 Views
Provide a quote. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 1124 Views
read the chapter darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 959 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 1117 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 1187 Views
Was that what I asked for? Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 950 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 978 Views
Oh if that's what you want darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 1094 Views
Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM 1020 Views
Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM 1008 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 989 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 1001 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 1052 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 1099 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 1104 Views
Which ones? Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 981 Views
Re: Which ones? Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 1084 Views
Well. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 963 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 1050 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 1138 Views
Thanks for the quote. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 1190 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 991 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion BlackAdder - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 984 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 1117 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 910 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 1152 Views
No. Don't think so. Tom - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 971 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 1142 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 1055 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 1128 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 1060 Views
Yip Sidious - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 1034 Views
Lame. eucatastrophe - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 963 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 928 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* Yunalesca - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 609 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 968 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 1062 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 1159 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* Lord Haart - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 391 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 1370 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Underwood - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 1072 Views
Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die? Gher - 16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM 984 Views
Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM* Gher - 16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM 514 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? scooter - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 968 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 930 Views
Because he was right, that's why. Terez - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 943 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 914 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible Terez - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 1182 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 1075 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* scooter - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 1069 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 999 Views
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