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Oh if that's what you want darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM
... that would make Graendal more suspicious than she already is? He said nothing useful, most of it being praise for Graendal and claiming he could not defeat her without help. If anything, interrogating Ramshalan would put her more at ease.


No, Ramshalan would have been compelled to tell her the whole story, not just the BS Rand fed him about gaining the support of the Nobles. He knew all about the smarter opponent and then got a free ride to Graendal's doorstep... a simpleton could figure out that Rand was after her!


TGS
A Force of Light

"My Lord." Ramshalan bowed a second time, as if worried that Rand hadn't noticed the first one. "Surely you seek to trick me! There is nobody more intelligent than yourself."

"I wish that were true," Rand said softly. "I face some of the most crafty people who have ever lived. My current foe understands the minds of others in a way that I cannot hope to match. So how do I defeat her? She will vanish the moment I threaten her, running to one of a dozen other refuges she is sure to have set up. She won't fight me head-on, yet if I destroy her fortress in a surprise attack, I risk letting her slip away and never knowing if I've finished her."

seems pretty obvious that he wants to destroy her fortress in a surprise attack and still know for certain he's killed her ... he pretty much says it right out loud.
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What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Sidious - 13/07/2010 09:00:05 AM 2233 Views
Too convulted to make any sense... Etzel - 13/07/2010 09:22:26 AM 1174 Views
Too convulted...... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:26:26 PM 1427 Views
The logic is rather... Etzel - 15/07/2010 05:09:30 PM 1084 Views
What is the reason Delana is with Graendal? Artsapat - 13/07/2010 09:31:36 AM 1247 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:06:32 AM 1159 Views
Re: Indeed... Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:10:43 AM 1218 Views
That is wrong Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:19:32 AM 1068 Views
Re: That is wrong Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:29:16 AM 1158 Views
It's not at all... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:35:49 AM 1037 Views
Plus... Etzel - 13/07/2010 12:18:12 PM 974 Views
I agree with part and disagree with part. Logain - 14/07/2010 06:39:36 PM 1034 Views
exactly darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 06:43:14 PM 1048 Views
Does the Compulsion fit Graendal? Lohikaarme - 13/07/2010 03:40:36 PM 1108 Views
sorry but no dacole - 13/07/2010 09:49:13 AM 1180 Views
Exactly Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:14:06 AM 1027 Views
Yeah dacole provided powerful evidence *NM* Sidious - 13/07/2010 10:25:13 AM 561 Views
Actually... Etzel - 13/07/2010 10:30:24 AM 1066 Views
Or, as with Moghedien. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:35:44 PM 1215 Views
It makes perfect sense. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 02:33:09 PM 1081 Views
I won't be 100% sure she's dead until we get a solid "she's toast" from either the text darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:21:18 PM 1112 Views
This is actually the first thing that I thought of in that scene *NM* darius_sedai - 13/07/2010 04:08:48 PM 702 Views
Until I have absolute proof to the contrary.(Confirmation by Harriot or BS) krassos - 13/07/2010 04:20:49 PM 1012 Views
If Graendal didn't know Rand would use balefire, why would she have Delana do the Compulsion? beetnemesis - 13/07/2010 04:57:10 PM 1304 Views
Yes, Graendal completely outsmarted Rand. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 05:56:30 PM 1178 Views
I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 06:33:44 PM 1160 Views
Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Sidious - 13/07/2010 08:41:54 PM 1072 Views
Re: Indeed... imagine how a truly complex plan would confound them Underwood - 13/07/2010 09:09:09 PM 1134 Views
You draw too much attention to yourself, Mr Underwood *NM* Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:13:42 AM 660 Views
Ha, nice! *NM* Underwood - 14/07/2010 04:05:00 PM 553 Views
What are you talking about? I was agreeing with you, it's absurdly simple. Fanatic-Templar - 13/07/2010 09:27:22 PM 1138 Views
Huh Sidious - 14/07/2010 05:22:51 AM 1117 Views
Why did the lair explode? Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 06:17:32 AM 1083 Views
*NM* Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 01:58:17 PM 719 Views
While I generally agree with you...you missed an important detail. Mik - 14/07/2010 02:06:31 PM 1258 Views
What did Rand tell Ramshalan... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:29:04 PM 972 Views
Re: What did Rand tell Ramshalan... darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:52:11 PM 1066 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 1238 Views
he doesn't have to read Rands mind darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:41:59 PM 1003 Views
Provide a quote. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:10:06 AM 1127 Views
read the chapter darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:22:02 PM 961 Views
Right, that's why I asked. Because I know you can't. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:00:14 PM 1119 Views
sigh ... always so aggressive ... why you gotta hate darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 03:23:31 AM 1191 Views
Was that what I asked for? Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 04:05:41 AM 951 Views
sorry misunderstood what you were looking for darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:50:17 PM 980 Views
Oh if that's what you want darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 04:45:19 PM 1097 Views
Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. Fanatic-Templar - 11/08/2010 06:57:39 PM 1021 Views
Re: Yes, he pretty much says out loud that he can't just wipe out her fortress. darius_sedai - 11/08/2010 09:20:10 PM 1011 Views
why does it have to be a well thought out plan? darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:14:17 PM 991 Views
She would have to teach her pawn Compulsion. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 04:30:12 PM 1002 Views
No she'd only have to show Delana a weave to duplicate darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:48:24 PM 1056 Views
Nonsense. Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 09:30:01 PM 1104 Views
yet Sorilea, can duplicate Cadsuane's weaves after one quick glance darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 09:52:01 PM 1106 Views
Which ones? Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 04:14:23 AM 985 Views
Re: Which ones? Sidious - 15/07/2010 05:25:28 AM 1088 Views
Well. Fanatic-Templar - 15/07/2010 06:53:29 AM 966 Views
Actually I think it's one of those things that make AS so stupid darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:36:43 PM 1052 Views
the Sorilea moment is when they first meet Semirhage darius_sedai - 10/08/2010 09:32:26 PM 1142 Views
Thanks for the quote. Fanatic-Templar - 10/08/2010 10:02:36 PM 1194 Views
Re: I just think it's funny that people make fun of such a basic plan as convoluted. saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:40:11 PM 993 Views
She's so smart, she knows Rand will bring along Nynaeve to check Delana's Compulsion BlackAdder - 13/07/2010 08:32:19 PM 984 Views
we've seen any number of times that a Channeler can make an exact copy of weaves darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 1119 Views
Ramshalan didn't know the plan as you claim Skeeve the Great - 14/07/2010 04:16:29 PM 912 Views
he knew enough to alert Graendal to the danger darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:50:26 PM 1156 Views
No. Don't think so. Tom - 13/07/2010 08:35:34 PM 974 Views
I so desperately want you to be right. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:30:16 AM 1144 Views
Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... fionwe1987 - 14/07/2010 06:53:48 AM 1057 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Fanatic-Templar - 14/07/2010 07:10:49 AM 1129 Views
Re: Graendal being alive would make more of a statement... Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:50:05 PM 1064 Views
Yip Sidious - 14/07/2010 04:33:03 PM 1036 Views
Lame. eucatastrophe - 14/07/2010 10:44:47 AM 965 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 14/07/2010 04:15:38 PM 928 Views
she's dead, get over it *NM* Yunalesca - 14/07/2010 01:12:15 PM 610 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 14/07/2010 05:44:38 PM 969 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/07/2010 07:21:29 PM 1064 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? saidarisnowtainted - 10/08/2010 09:12:17 PM 1164 Views
Sounds about right. Wonder if he intends to try and get Callandor? *NM* Lord Haart - 13/08/2010 07:41:47 AM 391 Views
*shrug* Seems a bit complex to me... Jeordam - 14/07/2010 07:17:49 PM 1370 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? Underwood - 15/07/2010 04:38:09 PM 1073 Views
Honestly, if she's still alive, how is she going to die? Gher - 16/07/2010 05:49:06 AM 988 Views
Ahh, just remembered that some people think some Forsaken will survive Tarmon Gai'don. Still... *NM* Gher - 16/07/2010 05:51:41 AM 514 Views
Re: What about this little 'Graendal survived' theory? scooter - 10/11/2010 04:09:41 AM 969 Views
Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 10/11/2010 04:41:11 AM 933 Views
Because he was right, that's why. Terez - 11/11/2010 03:39:39 AM 945 Views
Not by my reckoning. *Still contains ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:22:59 AM 917 Views
No one ever gets every detail right - it's impossible Terez - 11/11/2010 06:06:26 AM 1184 Views
Yes, but I don't think this was a detail. *Still ToM spoilers.* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 06:31:40 AM 1077 Views
Re: Why? *Towers of Midnight spoilers* scooter - 11/11/2010 04:12:38 AM 1071 Views
Please try to maintain some decorum. *Also ToM spoilers* Fanatic-Templar - 11/11/2010 04:45:08 AM 1002 Views
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