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Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... Sidious Send a noteboard - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM

The fact that Aviendha knows so little about One Power mechanics at this point in time - including linking advantages, linking losses etc - PROVES that all she could have been referring to with that comment was raw strength.

All you're basically saying is that you do not accept that statement by Aviendha, because it does not fit with your picture of how the strength ladder should look.

It is a clear statement.

If Amys is just half as strong as Egwene, then Silviana must be weaker, no? And Barasine would be even weaker than that. Then there should be no way in hell either Barasine or Silviana should singly be able to hold a shield on Egwene. She should be able to laugh their shield off. But she isn't able to, from KoD to tGS. She doesn't even think its worth a try.

Your entire theory seems to rest on Aviendha's assessment. Which seems absurd to me, given how much else, especially RJ's own statements, contradicts what she says.


It also seems like Chesmal can hold Elayne indefinitely. Elayne does struggle to grab the Source while pregnant, but it does reinforce that one woman can hold Elayne/Egwene strength, whereas the BA link to hold Nynaeve from the beginning.
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More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:45:27 PM 3595 Views
Yes. Cannoli - 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1938 Views
No. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM 1737 Views
Indeed! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:39:47 PM 946 Views
Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM 1642 Views
Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease. Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM 1869 Views
Three things: Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM 1703 Views
That quote is incorrect as it contradicts all other evidence from later books... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:51:02 PM 1674 Views
If strength isn't linear and on a steep enough curve that could work. Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 07:22:24 PM 1709 Views
I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM 1582 Views
I wasn't aware this was an issue? LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM 1716 Views
I just hope aMoL finally reveals who's going to be the Dragon Reborn...these lesser debates can hang *NM* Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:26:37 PM 1024 Views
*Spoiler* TGS and TOM revealed that Egwene is the DR. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 07:57:53 PM 1461 Views
Agreed. Joel - 20/12/2010 01:17:32 AM 1748 Views
not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM 1687 Views
and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM 1622 Views
She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM* Kieran - 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM 1003 Views
Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM 1660 Views
I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM 1570 Views
I don't have the book handy, but she talks about the level of complexity darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:45:52 PM 1696 Views
hmm, but we still don't know if it's the weaves or the process that is so complex LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 06:28:14 PM 1498 Views
Well according to Monaella it makes it harder to Channel, but from Elayne's POV darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 06:52:55 PM 1596 Views
Re: not really Zeratul - 09/12/2010 05:16:02 PM 1625 Views
Angreal have buffers moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:38:45 PM 1644 Views
none of them are very strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM 1616 Views
We never really get a feel for their relative strengths redqueen - 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM 1462 Views
Re: We never really get a feel for their relative strengths sleepinghour - 09/12/2010 10:00:23 PM 1742 Views
Exactly moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:36:52 AM 1750 Views
Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM 1673 Views
you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM 1695 Views
Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal... Shannow - 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM 1465 Views
where is that quote my friend? darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM 1514 Views
PoD: The Breaking Storm Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM 1459 Views
Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM 1555 Views
That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM 1567 Views
Don't be absurd... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM 1562 Views
Yes, but does BS know that? Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:26:10 PM 1504 Views
Nonsense... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:45:17 PM 1515 Views
she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM 1646 Views
"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..." Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM 1672 Views
And yet... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM 1571 Views
No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM 1793 Views
Here are te quotes... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1595 Views
Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1645 Views
It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 1415 Views
Oh nonsense Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM 1513 Views
But that's his point. Gher - 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM 1518 Views
its a useless point Sidious - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1600 Views
Yes, utterly useless... Shannow - 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM 1554 Views
Dude, you need to re-read the books... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM 1487 Views
he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM 1490 Views
Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM 1569 Views
potentially, but Mesaana later turns up with BA using the 19 stolen ter'angreal. darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:41:41 PM 1460 Views
I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM 1481 Views
Re: I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM 1545 Views
What? fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:19:57 PM 1623 Views
Re: What? Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:20:19 AM 1551 Views
Oh boohoo... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:55:58 PM 1637 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM 1421 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM 1545 Views
which only tells us that Nynaeve is equal to the Forsaken. Has nothing to do with Egwene being darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:51:12 PM 1360 Views
Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1664 Views
Think about the logic of what you're proposing... Shannow - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1646 Views
It's what's in the friggin books! darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1559 Views
Duplicate post - deleted *NM* Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 785 Views
Re: Yes. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM 1585 Views
You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1710 Views
where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1619 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM 1348 Views
now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM 1520 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM 1522 Views
all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1566 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM 1526 Views
that's the point I'm making darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 1380 Views
I don't think Elayne was forced Zeratul - 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM 1561 Views
I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:43:29 PM 1348 Views
Re: I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:46:50 PM 1577 Views
Thanks for the quote Zeratul - 12/12/2010 07:17:30 PM 1639 Views
perhaps the opportunity hasn't arisen? And of course it's politic to appologize to the Amyrlin darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:41:11 PM 1494 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 08:04:21 PM 1526 Views
that's where I'm estimating Nynaeve being close to Siuan and Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 08:30:54 PM 1505 Views
Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM 1754 Views
nope darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:05:00 PM 1632 Views
Mesaana Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM 1439 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM 1455 Views
Re: agreed Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM 1339 Views
very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM 1453 Views
Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM 1613 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:47:28 PM 1535 Views
Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM 1594 Views
OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. Shannow - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 1498 Views
"clear evidence" moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 1549 Views
Laughable interpretation... Shannow - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1532 Views
Re: Laughable interpretation... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1569 Views
Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 1468 Views
Doesn't the forkroot explain that? *NM* Gher - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 1017 Views
couple of thoughts here darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1533 Views
Re: couple of thoughts here fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 1460 Views
that's what I said! EDIT darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 1378 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1534 Views
Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM 1402 Views
Leane was shielded by two sisters as well sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM 1429 Views
I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM 1468 Views
Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM 1566 Views
I agree with that completely. darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:03:54 AM 1491 Views
Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM 1542 Views
re-read the section my friend. EDIT darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 1496 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 1453 Views
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 1567 Views
Not one of those things answers my rather simple question... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM 1520 Views
because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 1435 Views
She knows but she doesn't know? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM 1538 Views
She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM 1480 Views
And she doesn't know any details... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM 1462 Views
this conversation is so pointless darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM 1367 Views
Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM 1371 Views
Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. Sidious - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 1392 Views
Of course its obvious now! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM 1562 Views
it was always obvious that to me. The first thing Egwene thinks is about what the drug does to her darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:07:38 AM 1408 Views
Shielding Sidious - 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM 2916 Views
Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM 1528 Views
Re: Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:25:20 AM 1656 Views
There is, actually... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM 1412 Views
Meh Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM 1556 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM 1526 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 1522 Views
Tell Darius that... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 1451 Views
of course Katerine is redundant! 2 women of Barasine and Katerine's strength darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:00:50 AM 1423 Views
Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1647 Views
um, Elayne was in the process of bleeding to death and then had just been Healed darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:50:27 PM 1544 Views
You forget... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1555 Views
astounding "evidence" darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1564 Views
Re: astounding "evidence" The_Archer - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1626 Views
thanks darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1716 Views
Re: thanks The_Archer - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 1439 Views
We're not in disagreement for the most part darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 1435 Views
Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part The_Archer - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 1568 Views
Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:13:46 PM 1516 Views
Re: Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken The_Archer - 12/12/2010 06:35:02 PM 1566 Views
All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:50:59 PM 1546 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:05:58 PM 1610 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:11:29 PM 1575 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:14:47 PM 1604 Views
I don't get the logic here... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1559 Views
which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 1023 Views
It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 1489 Views
And...? fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1504 Views
Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 1430 Views
That was my interpretation too Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 1474 Views
Re: That was my interpretation too moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1646 Views
what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1599 Views
The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 1503 Views
*Double post, please delete* *NM* Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 866 Views
You are correct! So clearly worry about the babies was not a reason to not draw more darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:05:30 PM 1476 Views
And... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 1463 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 1522 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 1481 Views
and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 1549 Views
Yes, I did know that. moratcorlm - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 1536 Views
meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1546 Views
Oops. *NM* moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 931 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM 1435 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM 1533 Views
We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1584 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:12:12 PM 1367 Views
they can actually sense both which is how Elayne knows Nynaeve is not at full potential darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:22:35 PM 1545 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM 1565 Views
Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 10:08:16 PM 1492 Views
Re: Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around The_Archer - 10/12/2010 10:50:32 PM 1542 Views
It's more than just fear of Moridin that makes her choose an attack from such a distance darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 11:10:57 PM 1452 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 10:50:20 PM 1547 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1751 Views
Help im new! The_Archer - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1611 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The Angry Druid - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1696 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The_Archer - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 1477 Views
How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 965 Views
Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? Sidious - 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM 1395 Views
Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. Lord Haart - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 1464 Views
you misread the topic Sidious - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1573 Views
But the debate is moronic because... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 1518 Views
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