Okay. Irrelevant, but okay...
No, it's pointing out that she was ready to fight 5 AS until she heard forkroot then immediately shifted thought processes to think up a new strategy based on what information she knew from Nynaeve... it sets the entire stage for the rest of the scene. Egwene is realizing that she has more than being physically beat up to over come when it comes to Channeling.
Why? What makes you think Nynaeve even knew that once the forkroot dampens down enough that you can channel, you cannot channel the full amount? Or that if she knew, she told Egwene. It certainly doesn't come up in the conversation she has with Egwene! So, when Egwene met Silviana, all she knew was that Forkroot dampens your ability to channel, and she was certain that the effects were beginning to lift now. From her PoV, it is clear that she thinks that it is Silviana's strength, and that fact that she assumed the shield without leaving a gap, that prevent her from reaching for the source, and not the forkroot. She may have been completely wrong, and the forkroot may have been dampening her strength even then.
Because she and Elayne lived through it! And it's what she used against Moghedien and it's part of the scene when Egwene calls Nynaeve out for lying to her ... Egwene would know as much about the affects of forkroot as Nynaeve herself. Let's be honest, what is there to tell about forkroot other than what it does to a Channeler?
Egwene thinks of Silviana's strength because she doesn't have any idea to what degree her own ability is currently affected. She's not been able to embrace the Source, in fact the AS don't know how much it will affect her either, thus the strong shields. She knows she'll be weaker, and given Silviana's strength she realizes there's no way she could break a shield at less than full ability. We know Silviana must be close to Amys in strength from the various behaviors (ordering Katerine around etc) so Egwene has to realize that if she struggled to break a shield Amys held on her Siliviana under these circumstances would have no problems.
It's clear she believes she can actually reach the Source by this point, but it's equally clear from the countless instances of her later channeling that she'll be very weak for hours!
That's a load of crap! Such things are often repeated anyway, and till that point, as readers, we did not know that you can have forkroot and still channel lower amounts of the power. We know that only when Silviana tells Egwene about it. So there is every reason for Egwene to think about the forkroot, but she only talks about Silviana's strength.
That was only shown after this scene. Before that, we had exactly one instance of Forkroot use, and it was a very strong dose. You're applying your superior knowledge to the character here, and inferring something completely wrong from her PoV.
That was only shown after this scene. Before that, we had exactly one instance of Forkroot use, and it was a very strong dose. You're applying your superior knowledge to the character here, and inferring something completely wrong from her PoV.
Go re-read LOC Figs and Mice. It's obvious that a Channeler's ability slowly comes back. Elayne and Nynaeve lay there and slowly got closer and closer to reaching the Source by the minute. It's a clear indication that the affects of the tea would slowly degenerate.
And how did she know her own power will be lower? Heck, even the readers didn't know that was possible till Silviana informed us! Everyone thought forkroot was an all or nothing deal. You're just using knowledge we had after this scene.
That is your interpretation. In Figs and Mice we see Elayne and Nynaeve go from barely being able to move to walking around and talking in fairly short order, but neither of then Channel a spark. It seems rather obvious that ALL the effects would take time to wear off.
Please note that Egwene did not break the shield. She hammered at it hard, but failed to break it. Amys just says she gets exhausted by holding the shield.
It amounts to the same thing. In the end Egwene would have battered down the Shield. Amys cannot hold Egwene for any length of time. Therefore neither could the weaker Silviana.
As a comparable situation, see how Aviendha says she needs to put more of the power into her Gateway than Elayne. Amys likely has the same issue. She needs to use all of her strength to maintain a shield on Egwene. With Silviana, Egwene has grown in strength, so Silviana also has to probably use all her strength to hold Egwene. But she can indeed do it, especially since she is likely better than Amys at shielding.
That's pure speculation. Egwene has no way of knowing if Silviana is better at shielding than Amys and she knows for fact that she could break Amys shield. Note that she also doesn't even try to attack the shield as her entire plan was always soem kind of surprise attack. Even if she thinks she may eventually break through Silviana she wouldn't be able to escape, so she doesn't try!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken
- 09/12/2010 03:45:27 PM
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Yes.
- 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM
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No.
- 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM
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Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me
- 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM
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Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease.
- 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM
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Three things:
- 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM
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That quote is incorrect as it contradicts all other evidence from later books...
- 09/12/2010 06:51:02 PM
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If strength isn't linear and on a steep enough curve that could work.
- 09/12/2010 07:22:24 PM
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I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal...
- 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM
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I wasn't aware this was an issue?
- 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM
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I just hope aMoL finally reveals who's going to be the Dragon Reborn...these lesser debates can hang *NM*
- 09/12/2010 05:26:37 PM
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not really
- 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM
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and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong
- 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM
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She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM*
- 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM
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Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power
- 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM
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I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though
- 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM
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I don't have the book handy, but she talks about the level of complexity
- 09/12/2010 05:45:52 PM
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hmm, but we still don't know if it's the weaves or the process that is so complex
- 09/12/2010 06:28:14 PM
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Well according to Monaella it makes it harder to Channel, but from Elayne's POV
- 09/12/2010 06:52:55 PM
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We never really get a feel for their relative strengths
- 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM
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Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength...
- 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM
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you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength
- 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM
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Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal...
- 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM
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where is that quote my friend?
- 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM
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PoD: The Breaking Storm
- 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM
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Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne
- 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM
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That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means...
- 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM
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Don't be absurd...
- 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM
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she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian
- 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM
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"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..."
- 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM
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And yet...
- 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM
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No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle...
- 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM
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Here are te quotes...
- 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM
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Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana?
- 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM
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It might interest you to know that that was Katerine!
- 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM
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Oh nonsense
- 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM
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But that's his point.
- 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM
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its a useless point
- 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM
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I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there...
- 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM
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Yes, utterly useless...
- 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM
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Dude, you need to re-read the books...
- 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM
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he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true
- 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM
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Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true
- 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM
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potentially, but Mesaana later turns up with BA using the 19 stolen ter'angreal.
- 11/12/2010 03:41:41 PM
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I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there...
- 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM
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Re:
I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there...
- 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM
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I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there...
- 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM
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Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding.
- 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM
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Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding.
- 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM
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which only tells us that Nynaeve is equal to the Forsaken. Has nothing to do with Egwene being
- 10/12/2010 01:51:12 PM
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Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years
- 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM
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Re: Yes.
- 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM
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You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap...
- 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM
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where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak
- 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM
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Nope...
- 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM
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now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say
- 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM
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- 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM
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Nope...
- 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM
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all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW
- 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM
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Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW
- 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM
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I don't think Elayne was forced
- 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM
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I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane
- 12/12/2010 04:43:29 PM
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Re: I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane
- 12/12/2010 04:46:50 PM
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Thanks for the quote
- 12/12/2010 07:17:30 PM
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perhaps the opportunity hasn't arisen? And of course it's politic to appologize to the Amyrlin
- 12/12/2010 07:41:11 PM
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- 12/12/2010 07:41:11 PM
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Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW
- 12/12/2010 08:04:21 PM
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that's where I'm estimating Nynaeve being close to Siuan and Moiraine in EoTW
- 12/12/2010 08:30:54 PM
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Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say
- 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM
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- 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM
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Mesaana
- 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM
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agreed
- 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM
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Re: agreed
- 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM
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very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother
- 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM
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Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother
- 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM
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Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap...
- 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM
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OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels.
- 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM
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"clear evidence"
- 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM
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Laughable interpretation...
- 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM
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Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength...
- 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM
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couple of thoughts here
- 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM
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Re: couple of thoughts here
- 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM
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that's what I said! EDIT
- 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM
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Well...
- 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM
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Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield
- 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM
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Leane was shielded by two sisters as well
- 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM
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I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells
- 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM
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Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells
- 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM
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Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like?
- 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM
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re-read the section my friend. EDIT
- 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM
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Dude...
- 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM
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did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower!
- 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM
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Not one of those things answers my rather simple question...
- 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM
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because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot
- 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM
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She knows but she doesn't know?
- 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM
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She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability
- 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM
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And she doesn't know any details...
- 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM
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this conversation is so pointless
- 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM
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Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary.
- 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM
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Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary.
- 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM
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Of course its obvious now!
- 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM
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it was always obvious that to me. The first thing Egwene thinks is about what the drug does to her
- 18/12/2010 05:07:38 AM
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Shielding
- 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM
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Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO
- 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM
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Re: Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO
- 14/12/2010 04:25:20 AM
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There is, actually...
- 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM
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Meh
- 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM
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Well...
- 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM
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Re: Well...
- 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM
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of course Katerine is redundant! 2 women of Barasine and Katerine's strength
- 18/12/2010 05:00:50 AM
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Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength...
- 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM
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um, Elayne was in the process of bleeding to death and then had just been Healed
- 11/12/2010 03:50:27 PM
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astounding "evidence"
- 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM
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Re: astounding "evidence"
- 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM
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thanks
- 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM
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Re: thanks
- 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM
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We're not in disagreement for the most part
- 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM
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Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part
- 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM
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Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken
- 12/12/2010 05:13:46 PM
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Re: Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken
- 12/12/2010 06:35:02 PM
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All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen
- 12/12/2010 07:50:59 PM
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Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen
- 12/12/2010 11:05:58 PM
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Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen
- 12/12/2010 11:11:29 PM
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Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen
- 12/12/2010 11:14:47 PM
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I don't get the logic here...
- 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM
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It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve
- 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM
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And...?
- 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM
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Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies.
- 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM
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That was my interpretation too
- 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM
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what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene
- 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM
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The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline
- 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM
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You are correct! So clearly worry about the babies was not a reason to not draw more
- 10/12/2010 05:05:30 PM
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Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene
- 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM
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Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene
- 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM
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and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed
- 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM
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Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken
- 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM
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Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken
- 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM
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Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken
- 10/12/2010 09:12:12 PM
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they can actually sense both which is how Elayne knows Nynaeve is not at full potential
- 10/12/2010 09:22:35 PM
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Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken
- 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM
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Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around
- 10/12/2010 10:08:16 PM
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Re: Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around
- 10/12/2010 10:50:32 PM
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It's more than just fear of Moridin that makes her choose an attack from such a distance
- 10/12/2010 11:10:57 PM
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How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM*
- 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM
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Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least?
- 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM
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Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken.
- 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM
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*NM*