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Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The Angry Druid Send a noteboard - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM
News flash: Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

We've known this for some time, with countless mentions in the book. Although there may be only 1-2 "levels" between Elayne and Nynaeve/Moggy, we know there is a LOT of power difference there.

Again, this has been stated explicitly by RJ, and the characters themselves when viewing Nynaeve channel and comparing her strength to Egwene/Elayne.
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More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:45:27 PM 3028 Views
Yes. Cannoli - 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1370 Views
No. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM 1214 Views
Indeed! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:39:47 PM 680 Views
Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM 1152 Views
Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease. Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM 1378 Views
Three things: Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM 1135 Views
That quote is incorrect as it contradicts all other evidence from later books... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:51:02 PM 1129 Views
If strength isn't linear and on a steep enough curve that could work. Myrdhyn - 09/12/2010 07:22:24 PM 1145 Views
I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM 1078 Views
I wasn't aware this was an issue? LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM 1159 Views
I just hope aMoL finally reveals who's going to be the Dragon Reborn...these lesser debates can hang *NM* Cannoli - 09/12/2010 05:26:37 PM 754 Views
*Spoiler* TGS and TOM revealed that Egwene is the DR. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2010 07:57:53 PM 949 Views
Agreed. Joel - 20/12/2010 01:17:32 AM 1256 Views
not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM 1157 Views
and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM 1103 Views
She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM* Kieran - 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM 732 Views
Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM 1125 Views
I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM 1038 Views
I don't have the book handy, but she talks about the level of complexity darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:45:52 PM 1158 Views
hmm, but we still don't know if it's the weaves or the process that is so complex LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 06:28:14 PM 934 Views
Well according to Monaella it makes it harder to Channel, but from Elayne's POV darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 06:52:55 PM 1048 Views
Re: not really Zeratul - 09/12/2010 05:16:02 PM 1065 Views
Angreal have buffers moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:38:45 PM 1076 Views
none of them are very strong darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM 1063 Views
We never really get a feel for their relative strengths redqueen - 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM 898 Views
Re: We never really get a feel for their relative strengths sleepinghour - 09/12/2010 10:00:23 PM 1202 Views
Exactly moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:36:52 AM 1216 Views
Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength... Shannow - 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM 1100 Views
you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM 1051 Views
Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal... Shannow - 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM 881 Views
where is that quote my friend? darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM 962 Views
PoD: The Breaking Storm Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM 866 Views
Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM 996 Views
That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM 1029 Views
Don't be absurd... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM 1044 Views
Yes, but does BS know that? Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:26:10 PM 965 Views
Nonsense... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:45:17 PM 1024 Views
she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM 1134 Views
"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..." Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM 1126 Views
And yet... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM 1062 Views
No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM 1288 Views
Here are te quotes... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1051 Views
Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1074 Views
It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 875 Views
Oh nonsense Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM 986 Views
But that's his point. Gher - 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM 1007 Views
its a useless point Sidious - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1076 Views
Yes, utterly useless... Shannow - 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM 1028 Views
Dude, you need to re-read the books... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM 967 Views
he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM 982 Views
Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM 1051 Views
potentially, but Mesaana later turns up with BA using the 19 stolen ter'angreal. darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:41:41 PM 953 Views
I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM 927 Views
Re: I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM 994 Views
What? fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:19:57 PM 1025 Views
Re: What? Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:20:19 AM 1038 Views
Oh boohoo... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:55:58 PM 1062 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM 901 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM 1020 Views
which only tells us that Nynaeve is equal to the Forsaken. Has nothing to do with Egwene being darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:51:12 PM 879 Views
Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1097 Views
Think about the logic of what you're proposing... Shannow - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1043 Views
It's what's in the friggin books! darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1041 Views
Duplicate post - deleted *NM* Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 530 Views
Re: Yes. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM 1036 Views
You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1144 Views
where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1092 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM 803 Views
now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM 890 Views
Nope... Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM 982 Views
all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1038 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM 971 Views
that's the point I'm making darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 856 Views
I don't think Elayne was forced Zeratul - 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM 991 Views
I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:43:29 PM 783 Views
Re: I believe there is a quote from RJ that states they all were, but Egwene was held damane darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:46:50 PM 1029 Views
Thanks for the quote Zeratul - 12/12/2010 07:17:30 PM 1078 Views
perhaps the opportunity hasn't arisen? And of course it's politic to appologize to the Amyrlin darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:41:11 PM 995 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 08:04:21 PM 1022 Views
that's where I'm estimating Nynaeve being close to Siuan and Moiraine in EoTW darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 08:30:54 PM 991 Views
Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM 1192 Views
nope darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 02:05:00 PM 1120 Views
Mesaana Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM 883 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM 959 Views
Re: agreed Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM 837 Views
very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM 875 Views
Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM 1056 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:47:28 PM 1023 Views
Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM 1069 Views
OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. Shannow - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 909 Views
"clear evidence" moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 995 Views
Laughable interpretation... Shannow - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1033 Views
Re: Laughable interpretation... moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1036 Views
Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 983 Views
Doesn't the forkroot explain that? *NM* Gher - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 714 Views
couple of thoughts here darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1033 Views
Re: couple of thoughts here fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 959 Views
that's what I said! EDIT darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 839 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1061 Views
Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM 902 Views
Leane was shielded by two sisters as well sleepinghour - 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM 919 Views
I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM 932 Views
Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells sleepinghour - 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM 1019 Views
I agree with that completely. darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 01:03:54 AM 961 Views
Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM 1036 Views
re-read the section my friend. EDIT darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 916 Views
Dude... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 916 Views
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 985 Views
Not one of those things answers my rather simple question... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM 995 Views
because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 938 Views
She knows but she doesn't know? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM 998 Views
She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM 958 Views
And she doesn't know any details... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM 957 Views
this conversation is so pointless darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM 803 Views
Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM 842 Views
Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. Sidious - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 852 Views
Of course its obvious now! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM 1052 Views
it was always obvious that to me. The first thing Egwene thinks is about what the drug does to her darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:07:38 AM 880 Views
Shielding Sidious - 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM 2395 Views
Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO darius_sedai - 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM 983 Views
Re: Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:25:20 AM 1099 Views
There is, actually... fionwe1987 - 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM 901 Views
Meh Sidious - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM 990 Views
Well... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM 1012 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 985 Views
Tell Darius that... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 916 Views
of course Katerine is redundant! 2 women of Barasine and Katerine's strength darius_sedai - 18/12/2010 05:00:50 AM 899 Views
Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1123 Views
um, Elayne was in the process of bleeding to death and then had just been Healed darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:50:27 PM 1022 Views
You forget... fionwe1987 - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1046 Views
astounding "evidence" darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1036 Views
Re: astounding "evidence" The_Archer - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1048 Views
thanks darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1184 Views
Re: thanks The_Archer - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 889 Views
We're not in disagreement for the most part darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 868 Views
Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part The_Archer - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 997 Views
Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 05:13:46 PM 997 Views
Re: Actually in the AoL all AS who went over (50%) were refered to as Forsaken The_Archer - 12/12/2010 06:35:02 PM 990 Views
All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen darius_sedai - 12/12/2010 07:50:59 PM 967 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:05:58 PM 1025 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:11:29 PM 948 Views
Re: All of the AS who went over to the DO refered to themselves as the Chosen The_Archer - 12/12/2010 11:14:47 PM 997 Views
I don't get the logic here... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1028 Views
which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 781 Views
It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve Shannow - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 997 Views
And...? fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1003 Views
Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. Shannow - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 900 Views
That was my interpretation too Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 938 Views
Re: That was my interpretation too moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1079 Views
what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1069 Views
The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 929 Views
*Double post, please delete* *NM* Zeratul - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 611 Views
You are correct! So clearly worry about the babies was not a reason to not draw more darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:05:30 PM 928 Views
And... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 967 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene Sidious - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 955 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 981 Views
and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 990 Views
Yes, I did know that. moratcorlm - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 969 Views
meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1052 Views
Oops. *NM* moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 677 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM 913 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM 978 Views
We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1045 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:12:12 PM 858 Views
they can actually sense both which is how Elayne knows Nynaeve is not at full potential darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 09:22:35 PM 1037 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM 1032 Views
Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 10:08:16 PM 944 Views
Re: Please note that Nynaeve has commented every time she's been around The_Archer - 10/12/2010 10:50:32 PM 1039 Views
It's more than just fear of Moridin that makes her choose an attack from such a distance darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 11:10:57 PM 921 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken sleepinghour - 10/12/2010 10:50:20 PM 1017 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken Sidious - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1174 Views
Help im new! The_Archer - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1045 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The Angry Druid - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1123 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. The_Archer - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 953 Views
How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 696 Views
Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? Sidious - 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM 939 Views
Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. Lord Haart - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 941 Views
you misread the topic Sidious - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1072 Views
But the debate is moronic because... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 923 Views
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