Active Users:269 Time:25/05/2024 08:23:14 PM
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM
You keep harping on about the forkroot. I just have one question... why the hell didn't Egwene, Katerine or Silviana ever once mention that? They had every reason to. Egwene would certainly have thought it, especially when she talks about Silviana being far from weak.

As for the night she met Verin... it was barely a few hours, not the whole night! She got released when it was night, met Verin, read her book, slept a little, then fought the whole battle with the Seanchan, all before it was daytime!


They dosed her with forkroot at the docks, a strong enough dose to knock her out (she knows they gave her something, just not what).

KOD Prologue
I think you gave her too much of the forkroot,” the woman went on.

A chill flashed through her. So that was what she had been fed!


Felaana tells Katarine she gave her too much and later Silviana tells her they can't risk giving her doses strong enough to knock her out for the entire night because it will make her sick, instead they give her tiny doses once an hour to keep her power to a trickle.

The effects of her first dose are just beginning to wear off when she gets to the Tower, enough to where she could embrace the Source, but it's been less than an hour since she was dosed therefore there is no way she could Channel with much strength. The women in the coach have no idea what Elaida's plans are so they shield when she wakes up and assume that she'll be sent to the open cells (note that even Leane is given forkroot and shielded while there).

Look over the Verin section again... here's some thoughts to consider:

The timeline begins here: The morning passed slowly. Eventually, iron keys clanked as one turned in the ancient lock

After this Katarine walked in announced she was MoN and sent Egwene with Barasine and the other Red ... along the way Egwene took the forkroot

so starting late as mid-morning or early afternoon we have:

1. Egwene takes a dose walks into her room
2. Verin is there sipping her tea
3. Verin lives for about 1 hour
4. Egwene thinks this while studying the books "The next few hours were among the most disturbing and discomforting in her life." ... "She closed the fat red book, thoughtful, her candle burned nearly down to the base. It was growing late in the day."
5. Nicola enters with soup for Verin
6. Meidani enters and spends some time talking before she demonstrates one of the 100 Weaves and then takes Verin's corps via gateway
7. Before Meidani leaves Egwene glanced at her flickering candle; it was burned nearly all the way down to the table itself ... so what another 30 minutes... clearly it's evening by now.
8. Egwene then goes to meet Siuan in TAR
9. She is awakened by Nicola due to the Seanchan attack And she couldn't channel enough Power to light a candle, let alone fight back.

The timeline basically ends here:

Siuan awoke with a start. Something was wrong. Something was very, very wrong. She scrambled off of her pallet. As she did, a dark figure moved suddenly on the other side of the tent, metal rasping against metal. Siuan froze, embracing the Source reflexively and summoning a globe of light.

Gareth Bryne stood alert, heron-marked steel drawn and ready. He wore only his smallclothes, and she had to keep herself from staring at his muscled body, which was in far better shape than that of most men half his age. "What is it?" he asked tensely.

"Light!" Siuan said. "You sleep with your sword?"


Note that Bryne was also sleeping so it wasn't exactly a random mid-morning romp to TAR for info.

It's night by the time the Seanchan attack ... we're talking about a minimum of 6-8 hours of time after Egwene took the forkroot and still could not Channel! It's obvious that in the first scene it's been a much shorter timeline and the dose of forkroot was actually stronger since it knocked her out!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Reply to message
More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 09/12/2010 03:45:27 PM 3035 Views
Yes. - 09/12/2010 04:39:58 PM 1377 Views
No. - 09/12/2010 05:34:57 PM 1222 Views
Indeed! *NM* - 09/12/2010 05:39:47 PM 688 Views
Actually...exponential or at least non-linear makes alot of sense to me - 09/12/2010 06:27:29 PM 1159 Views
Nope. Then Rand would be able to crush 13 Aes Sedai with ease. - 09/12/2010 06:32:53 PM 1386 Views
Three things: - 09/12/2010 06:47:30 PM 1143 Views
I think that RJ's statement that the strongest man and strongest women were equal... - 10/12/2010 03:23:12 PM 1083 Views
I wasn't aware this was an issue? - 09/12/2010 04:45:02 PM 1169 Views
Agreed. - 20/12/2010 01:17:32 AM 1262 Views
not really - 09/12/2010 04:46:42 PM 1164 Views
and you'll note that none of the angreal are considered particularly strong - 09/12/2010 04:48:14 PM 1111 Views
She probably weaved them separately on account of being pregnant *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:56:12 PM 738 Views
Pregnancy seems to be interfere with her ability to grasp the power - 09/12/2010 05:06:15 PM 1133 Views
I don't know if it's a more complex CHANNELING undertaking, though - 09/12/2010 05:42:57 PM 1045 Views
Re: not really - 09/12/2010 05:16:02 PM 1074 Views
Angreal have buffers - 09/12/2010 05:38:45 PM 1083 Views
none of them are very strong - 09/12/2010 05:38:49 PM 1071 Views
We never really get a feel for their relative strengths - 09/12/2010 05:51:38 PM 908 Views
Re: We never really get a feel for their relative strengths - 09/12/2010 10:00:23 PM 1212 Views
Exactly - 10/12/2010 09:36:52 AM 1226 Views
Yes. In PoD Aviendha states that the woman-wrapped-in-hair angreal almost doubles her strength... - 09/12/2010 06:30:41 PM 1106 Views
you have the wrong angreal and the wrong strength - 09/12/2010 07:07:18 PM 1060 Views
Nope. You are the one whose got the wrong angreal... - 09/12/2010 07:15:38 PM 891 Views
where is that quote my friend? - 09/12/2010 08:07:50 PM 969 Views
PoD: The Breaking Storm - 09/12/2010 08:16:58 PM 877 Views
Ah yes, ... "almost 2x as much" still doesn't support your assertion that Nyn is 50% above Elayne - 09/12/2010 08:20:37 PM 1004 Views
That's a gross skewing of what that sentence means... - 09/12/2010 09:05:05 PM 1037 Views
Don't be absurd... - 09/12/2010 09:21:00 PM 1053 Views
Yes, but does BS know that? - 09/12/2010 09:26:10 PM 971 Views
Nonsense... - 09/12/2010 09:45:17 PM 1032 Views
she does not say that! she says Moghedien could kill her before she could react. so could Daigian - 09/12/2010 09:34:50 PM 1144 Views
"The only Aes Sedai who could hope to match one of the Forsaken was in Ebou Dar..." - 09/12/2010 09:44:25 PM 1136 Views
And yet... - 09/12/2010 09:48:34 PM 1070 Views
No, Egwene does NOT think she can defeat Mesaana in a One Power battle... - 09/12/2010 09:59:35 PM 1296 Views
Here are te quotes... - 09/12/2010 10:10:09 PM 1060 Views
Did you not read the quote above, made by Egwene in the heat of battle with Mesaana? - 09/12/2010 10:34:05 PM 1081 Views
It might interest you to know that that was Katerine! - 10/12/2010 12:15:51 AM 883 Views
Oh nonsense - 10/12/2010 04:43:44 AM 994 Views
But that's his point. - 10/12/2010 06:01:59 AM 1014 Views
its a useless point - 10/12/2010 10:11:00 AM 1085 Views
Yes, utterly useless... - 10/12/2010 11:46:15 AM 1037 Views
Dude, you need to re-read the books... - 10/12/2010 04:15:11 PM 976 Views
he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true - 10/12/2010 08:19:16 PM 988 Views
Re: he means Sheriam, but your points still hold true - 11/12/2010 07:21:49 AM 1061 Views
I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... - 10/12/2010 04:11:56 PM 933 Views
Re: I'm so glad you're a mod! Setting great standards there... - 10/12/2010 04:35:23 PM 1002 Views
What? - 10/12/2010 11:19:57 PM 1033 Views
Re: What? - 11/12/2010 07:20:19 AM 1044 Views
Oh boohoo... - 11/12/2010 07:55:58 PM 1070 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. - 10/12/2010 06:47:17 AM 908 Views
Duh! Seriously, are you Elaida or something? Your logic is astounding. - 10/12/2010 06:47:18 AM 1026 Views
Nynaeve has been channeling (albeit blocked) for close to 10 years - 10/12/2010 02:24:57 PM 1109 Views
Think about the logic of what you're proposing... - 10/12/2010 02:39:56 PM 1051 Views
It's what's in the friggin books! - 10/12/2010 03:33:08 PM 1051 Views
Duplicate post - deleted *NM* - 09/12/2010 08:19:05 PM 533 Views
Re: Yes. - 09/12/2010 07:49:12 PM 1045 Views
You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... - 09/12/2010 08:03:51 PM 1152 Views
where this falls apart is that Daigian at a 10 is too weak - 09/12/2010 08:16:17 PM 1102 Views
Nope... - 09/12/2010 08:44:51 PM 810 Views
now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say - 09/12/2010 09:29:20 PM 898 Views
Nope... - 09/12/2010 09:42:58 PM 990 Views
all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW - 11/12/2010 08:04:02 PM 1047 Views
Re: all of the girls were Forced! Nynaeve was already at least as strong as Moiraine in EoTW - 11/12/2010 11:59:55 PM 978 Views
that's the point I'm making - 12/12/2010 12:58:38 AM 864 Views
I don't think Elayne was forced - 12/12/2010 04:33:26 PM 1000 Views
Re: now you are just force fitting quotes into what you want to say - 10/12/2010 01:17:10 AM 1196 Views
nope - 10/12/2010 02:05:00 PM 1127 Views
Mesaana - 10/12/2010 04:43:07 AM 893 Views
agreed - 10/12/2010 01:48:59 PM 966 Views
Re: agreed - 10/12/2010 04:38:28 PM 843 Views
very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother - 10/12/2010 05:03:43 PM 882 Views
Re: very true, and I find it interesting that during the TAR battle Mesaana didn't bother - 11/12/2010 07:22:54 AM 1065 Views
yes and no - 11/12/2010 03:47:28 PM 1030 Views
Re: You're obviously a latecomer to this ongoing debate. Here's a recap... - 10/12/2010 09:19:17 AM 1074 Views
OK. Here's the clear evidence of Dagian's, Moiraine's, Egwenes and Moghedien's comparative levels. - 10/12/2010 12:00:48 PM 912 Views
"clear evidence" - 10/12/2010 01:27:01 PM 1005 Views
Laughable interpretation... - 10/12/2010 01:31:57 PM 1040 Views
Re: Laughable interpretation... - 10/12/2010 03:34:01 PM 1042 Views
Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... - 10/12/2010 04:27:30 PM 993 Views
Doesn't the forkroot explain that? *NM* - 10/12/2010 04:47:53 PM 717 Views
couple of thoughts here - 10/12/2010 08:01:44 PM 1040 Views
Re: couple of thoughts here - 10/12/2010 11:27:19 PM 966 Views
that's what I said! EDIT - 11/12/2010 04:03:59 PM 844 Views
Well... - 11/12/2010 07:58:38 PM 1068 Views
Katerine is a pain in the ass and Silviana wasn't about to risk only one woman holding that shield - 11/12/2010 08:26:29 PM 906 Views
Leane was shielded by two sisters as well - 11/12/2010 11:14:08 PM 929 Views
I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells - 11/12/2010 11:22:12 PM 938 Views
Re: I think that's almost certainly a custom for women held in the open cells - 12/12/2010 12:04:33 AM 1027 Views
I agree with that completely. - 12/12/2010 01:03:54 AM 970 Views
Oh... so we dismiss all quotes from people we don't like? - 12/12/2010 05:18:42 AM 1043 Views
re-read the section my friend. EDIT - 12/12/2010 03:58:28 PM 920 Views
Dude... - 12/12/2010 06:29:43 PM 926 Views
did you read the quote? They discuss how much they gave her on the way to the Tower! - 12/12/2010 07:39:55 PM 990 Views
Not one of those things answers my rather simple question... - 13/12/2010 02:27:44 AM 999 Views
because it's the first time Egwene has been dosed with Forkroot - 13/12/2010 03:55:18 AM 944 Views
She knows but she doesn't know? - 13/12/2010 05:35:55 AM 1004 Views
She knows that Nynaeve had told her it dampened her ability - 13/12/2010 05:13:23 PM 964 Views
And she doesn't know any details... - 13/12/2010 07:19:12 PM 965 Views
this conversation is so pointless - 13/12/2010 10:43:35 PM 812 Views
Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. - 13/12/2010 11:24:24 PM 849 Views
Re: Yes. But since you continue to not answer the main question, necessary. - 14/12/2010 11:06:55 AM 858 Views
Of course its obvious now! - 14/12/2010 12:44:59 PM 1055 Views
Shielding - 13/12/2010 08:01:19 PM 2401 Views
Practice. We do know that AS practice their weaves far more than WO - 13/12/2010 10:50:09 PM 988 Views
There is, actually... - 13/12/2010 11:28:42 PM 906 Views
Meh - 14/12/2010 04:22:45 AM 996 Views
Well... - 14/12/2010 04:37:50 AM 1021 Views
Re: Well... - 14/12/2010 10:52:55 AM 993 Views
Tell Darius that... - 14/12/2010 12:47:19 PM 925 Views
Re: Amys is clearly stronger than half Egwene's strength... - 11/12/2010 07:31:25 AM 1128 Views
You forget... - 11/12/2010 08:02:03 PM 1053 Views
astounding "evidence" - 10/12/2010 09:58:47 PM 1043 Views
Re: astounding "evidence" - 11/12/2010 09:15:03 AM 1056 Views
thanks - 11/12/2010 03:54:54 PM 1192 Views
Re: thanks - 12/12/2010 12:49:52 PM 892 Views
We're not in disagreement for the most part - 12/12/2010 04:23:02 PM 874 Views
Re: We're not in disagreement for the most part - 12/12/2010 05:00:02 PM 1004 Views
I don't get the logic here... - 09/12/2010 09:41:18 PM 1035 Views
which was one of my first thoughts in reading the scene! *NM* - 09/12/2010 09:43:54 PM 788 Views
It doubles her strength. Nynaeve is only 50% stronger. So she only needs half of it to match Nynaeve - 09/12/2010 09:46:42 PM 1005 Views
And...? - 09/12/2010 09:51:57 PM 1010 Views
Personally, I thought it had something to do with not harming the babies. - 09/12/2010 10:01:10 PM 908 Views
That was my interpretation too - 10/12/2010 04:36:38 AM 944 Views
Re: That was my interpretation too - 10/12/2010 09:31:12 AM 1086 Views
what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene - 10/12/2010 04:12:34 PM 1077 Views
The oaths proposal is after the jailhouse break in the timeline - 10/12/2010 04:31:12 PM 937 Views
*Double post, please delete* *NM* - 10/12/2010 04:35:54 PM 614 Views
And... - 10/12/2010 04:32:28 PM 975 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene - 10/12/2010 04:41:25 PM 962 Views
Re: what books are you reading? she's absolutely convinced until that scene - 10/12/2010 05:02:10 PM 988 Views
and as a poster above points out the scene is AFTER she's stabbed - 10/12/2010 05:07:17 PM 998 Views
Yes, I did know that. - 11/12/2010 04:06:00 PM 976 Views
meant that response to go to Sidious ... sorry! - 11/12/2010 08:44:40 PM 1055 Views
Oops. *NM* - 10/12/2010 07:15:57 PM 681 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 10/12/2010 08:22:21 PM 922 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 10/12/2010 08:33:25 PM 984 Views
We have very little to go on with the FS strengths... - 10/12/2010 09:04:33 PM 1053 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 10/12/2010 09:31:13 PM 1040 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 10/12/2010 10:50:20 PM 1025 Views
Re: More evidence that Elayne is much weaker than the Forsaken - 11/12/2010 07:29:30 AM 1179 Views
Help im new! - 13/12/2010 07:41:04 PM 1051 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. - 13/12/2010 09:56:45 PM 1128 Views
Re: More evidence you haven't been paying attention. - 13/12/2010 10:50:25 PM 961 Views
How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? *NM* - 18/12/2010 02:53:22 PM 701 Views
Re: How is it that this the longest thread on this board? Is it even relevant in the least? - 18/12/2010 08:21:24 PM 946 Views
Look at the topic. As if we needed evidence that Elayne is weaker than the Foresaken. - 19/12/2010 04:41:25 AM 950 Views
you misread the topic - 19/12/2010 05:30:26 AM 1080 Views
But the debate is moronic because... - 19/12/2010 05:43:07 AM 930 Views

Reply to Message