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Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM
Fair points, I take back the "positive reinforcement" thing I said.

As I've said before, my biggest issue with Egwene is that she falls into the Pratchettian definition of evil: she treats people as things. One of the only times in the last few books that I can recall her even trying to empathise with someone was when she obtusely compared her imprisonment to Rand's. She clearly knows some details of his capture, and yet she compares a prison cell with a coffin, spanking with beating, and her fears for the tower with Rand's fears for the fate of the entire world. And to top that off, Rand was forced to watch his lover being beaten even harder than he was. Egwene just seems out of touch with people. She understands how they think and work, and she can negotiate well enough, but she doesn't actually feel for them. Nicola dies because of her bad planning, and all we get is a sentence or two of mild regret followed by justification. Siuan saves her life, but Egwene is too paranoid to trust her. Nynaeve's experiences were so far beyond any pain we've seen caused to Egwene that it's mindboggling, yet this is done for pure political expediency. Compare Egwene's thought process to any other major character; the only one who somewhat matches is Dark Rand.

She's had a month now - why aren't the Yellow and Green Ajahs out on the blight border holding back the tide? Because Egwene is thinking like Dark Rand; it's all about winning the LB, not about winning a future for humanity. A person can have all the traits and abilities of legendary leadership, but if they place that leadership before their own humanity then they are nothing more than an administrative machine.
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2540 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1734 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 1214 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1489 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1444 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1491 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 1307 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1369 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1371 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1405 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1449 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 1188 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1386 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 1295 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 761 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1305 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1430 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 1235 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1480 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 1197 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1364 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 1317 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1376 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1860 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1418 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 1285 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 1272 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1376 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1745 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1357 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 725 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1406 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 1233 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 1222 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 1155 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 1249 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 656 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 1232 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1352 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 1206 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 1245 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 1316 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 1335 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1415 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1325 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 1228 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 1251 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1406 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 1295 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 1287 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1318 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 1225 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 1285 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1306 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 1195 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 1267 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 1276 Views

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