I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts.
Joel Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM
Anyone who strongly likes the one and dislikes the other will probably resent that analgoy, and anyone who dislikes both will say it's justified.
Without getting into THAT, she could be in a great position to be The Great Unifier, except I think she's going to blow it by being bullheaded with Rand when both the Pattern and RJ are on his side. At this point he almost IS an UNSTOPPABLE JUGGERNAUT, and she seems more likely to be doing exactly what Rand has envisioned for her with the Westlands armies: Unified and consolidated virtually all the groups he hasn't been able to get to directly or otherwise so that he can just step in and take the reins.
She's got good charisma and adaptability, and she made the right decisions to restore the Tower to a degree of integrity and strength it hasn't had since long before Elaida usurped Siuans place. She's been right and steadfast in her convictions when everyone else was unanimously against her, and that's averted disaster numerous times. No Aes Sedai would dare gainsay her at this point; every one whose tried has ended up either falling in line or ruined forever, and those who remain, from both the Usurper Tower and the Tower in Exile, are unanimously behind her.
Unfortunately, she's just as defiantly wrong about the Seals, and unless SHE falls in line soon she's going to be publicly and spectacularly so. All her hard patient work in building a very real power base among various Aes Sedai and other channeling factions desperate for a leader will do her no good if she plummets to earth. That simply leaves a power vacuum into which Rand can step without a pause, but perhaps that's the point.
MY point is that just because someone goes from "maverick" to "party man" and back to "maverick" all in less than a year doesn't mean they aren't a good leader so long as they do it for sincere and legitimate reasons, though of course if they're simply changing their public positions like a weathervane in a twister to GAIN leadership it means exactly that.
Without getting into THAT, she could be in a great position to be The Great Unifier, except I think she's going to blow it by being bullheaded with Rand when both the Pattern and RJ are on his side. At this point he almost IS an UNSTOPPABLE JUGGERNAUT, and she seems more likely to be doing exactly what Rand has envisioned for her with the Westlands armies: Unified and consolidated virtually all the groups he hasn't been able to get to directly or otherwise so that he can just step in and take the reins.
She's got good charisma and adaptability, and she made the right decisions to restore the Tower to a degree of integrity and strength it hasn't had since long before Elaida usurped Siuans place. She's been right and steadfast in her convictions when everyone else was unanimously against her, and that's averted disaster numerous times. No Aes Sedai would dare gainsay her at this point; every one whose tried has ended up either falling in line or ruined forever, and those who remain, from both the Usurper Tower and the Tower in Exile, are unanimously behind her.
Unfortunately, she's just as defiantly wrong about the Seals, and unless SHE falls in line soon she's going to be publicly and spectacularly so. All her hard patient work in building a very real power base among various Aes Sedai and other channeling factions desperate for a leader will do her no good if she plummets to earth. That simply leaves a power vacuum into which Rand can step without a pause, but perhaps that's the point.
MY point is that just because someone goes from "maverick" to "party man" and back to "maverick" all in less than a year doesn't mean they aren't a good leader so long as they do it for sincere and legitimate reasons, though of course if they're simply changing their public positions like a weathervane in a twister to GAIN leadership it means exactly that.
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Egwene, a poor leader?
16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM
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Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician.
16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader?
16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM
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If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ...
16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM
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Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM*
17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM
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Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight
17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader?
17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM
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Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are?
17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM
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Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are?
17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader?
17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader?
17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader?
18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader?
19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM
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Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM*
20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM
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Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends.
20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM
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And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene
20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM
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Re: Egwene, a poor leader?
20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM
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She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV
17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM
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Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue
17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM
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I see them as being the same thing.
17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM
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I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy
17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM
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I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad.
20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM
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Funniest statement I've ever seen on here.
18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM
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But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters.
20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM
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Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters.
22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM
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Yes, but for completely different reasons...
18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM
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You think Egwene has more power than Tuon?
18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM
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Definitely...
18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM
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I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts.
20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM
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She has a pretty powerful weapon...
20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM
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RJ is more powerful.
20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM
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Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon...
20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM
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Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon...
20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM
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Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon...
20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM
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