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But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM
The a'dam is the closest thing to being mindtrapped or Compelled, so I consider that quite significant and not something to be dismissed so easily, especially since she was so young and quite undeveloped as a character when she went through that.

It just seems to me that Egwene went through bad and traumatic events and didn't really get anything worthwhile in exchange. Compared to Rand, Mat and Perrin, it doesn't look like she got a reward for all of her struggles or at least IMHO becoming the leader of the AS seems more like a punishment than a prize.

For all the issues that Rand, Mat and Perrin went through, they got to experience other moments where they really felt that they achieved a victory, which makes their sacrifices worthwhile in the end. To be blunt, Nynaeve has had a lot of moments where she shined, but she never really went through any struggles, indignities or moments where she was completely under someone elses' power so in many ways, she is more of a Mary Sue than Egwene is. Every time Egwene's had a moment in the spotlight, it always turns out to be connected to someone else. Though she Shielded the Black Ajah Sister, it was Mat that had to release her and the others from the Stone. Though she defeated Mesaana, it had more to do with the Dreamspike Perrin brought to Tar Valon that trapped the Forsaken in T'A'R and then Gawyns' protection of her against the bloodknives. When she defeated the Seanchan, she ended up being rescued after she collapsed by Gawyn, Siuan and Gareth.

For me, it seems that the issue many fans have with Egwenes' character arc is that RJ intends for her to be considered a hero alongside Rand, Mat, Nynaeve and Perrin but she is never really given any moment to shine like they do. And then when she is given a moment that could be considered a victory, fans want to minimize it and tear her down for it. It's sad how much ire she provokes in fans because I really don't think she's gotten a chance to do anything that earned it.
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Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2052 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1208 Views
Well! No love lost there - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 693 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 992 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 916 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1015 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 787 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 894 Views
That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 884 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 853 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 931 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 724 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 884 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 770 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 495 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 822 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 950 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 751 Views
That's not quite accurate. - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1034 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 761 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 837 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 778 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 879 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1190 Views
I see them as being the same thing. - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 867 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 786 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 885 Views
Agree with your comments. - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1077 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1182 Views
You need to post more about Egwene - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 837 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 439 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 900 Views
Yes, communication is key. - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 785 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 746 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 683 Views
Definitely... - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 764 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 405 Views
That's not right... - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 734 Views
Re: That's not right... - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 815 Views
What's said above. Plus - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 712 Views
More explanations... - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 726 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 805 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 797 Views
Re: More explanations... - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 923 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 848 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 727 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 770 Views
RJ is more powerful. - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 871 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 811 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 790 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 853 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 722 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 778 Views
One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 847 Views
Re: One example of this... - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 704 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 781 Views
That's not quite true. - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 780 Views

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