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Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme Send a noteboard - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM
That's like asking what the Dragon contributed except Sealing away the DO...
Incidentally, she finished the Shadow, once LTT sealed the DO.


Or, perhaps, we could bear in mind that the sane LTT said the women of AoL were wise to refuse to support his plan?


Egwene is committed to stopping something SHE'S decided is unthinkable,

Because the Pattern showed her so...
In a Dream. Dreams are not certain, especially now that the pattern is loose.


You mean the logic of the plot, facts about Dreaming, etc. are all wrong, and RJ intended to break the rules he himself made, and he also secretly told you this? 8}
One of the rules being that Dreams tell about possibilities?



How does her dream show any such thing? It shows Rand breaking Selas and dooming the world. Egwene's reaction isn't even in it!
Ok, now I'll have to check the book when I get it back, but as I recall it wasn't dooming the world, just something terrible happening. The DO being as free as during tWoP is certainly terrible, but also necessary to repair its prison.
I admit I'm looking at this from a readers point of view, rather than Egwenes. But Egwene would have the world do what the WT has tried to do for 3000 years, try to desprately hold the current situation. And where's that got them? a constant decline for 3000 years.


Just that it happens. Its other stuff that hints at the results...

If the result is what you suggest Rand might just do what he threatens to: leave the world to fend for itself. Take off with Min with him and spend the last days in peace?
Stuck in Finnland!
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Egwene, a poor leader? redhand - 16/12/2010 05:59:15 PM 2235 Views
Egwene isn't supposed to be a leader. She's a dictator and a politician. lilltempest - 16/12/2010 08:21:13 PM 1399 Views
Well! No love lost there echooff - 17/12/2010 01:52:59 PM 897 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? RabidWombat - 16/12/2010 09:35:44 PM 1171 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Hot Pie - 16/12/2010 10:53:20 PM 1081 Views
If the Shadow had removed Elaida so Egwene was Amyrlin whilst Rand was still Dark ... ajfurst - 16/12/2010 11:56:08 PM 1042 Views
Same thing if Elaida was in charge when meeting w/ Dark Rand. *NM* Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 02:10:20 AM 537 Views
Except Rand wouldn't go to the WT with Elaida in charge, without having to fight ajfurst - 17/12/2010 02:50:18 AM 1166 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 03:07:40 AM 1175 Views
Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? moratcorlm - 17/12/2010 04:52:34 AM 953 Views
Re: Exactly how loyal do you think Nynaeve and Elayne are? fairfax - 17/12/2010 05:44:30 AM 1061 Views
That was the case a few books back Lord Haart - 17/12/2010 07:44:32 AM 1062 Views
Re: That was the case a few books back fairfax - 17/12/2010 10:14:36 AM 1066 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Macharius - 17/12/2010 02:30:48 PM 1120 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 17/12/2010 08:25:39 PM 895 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:06:21 AM 1052 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 19/12/2010 08:41:31 PM 965 Views
Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. *NM* moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 12:14:55 AM 568 Views
Re: Torturing Nynaeve for exclusively her own political ends. fairfax - 20/12/2010 01:24:12 AM 1015 Views
And the most painful torments were caused by Egwene moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:31:44 AM 1129 Views
That's not quite true. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:47:33 PM 941 Views
That's not quite accurate. moratcorlm - 21/12/2010 01:22:26 AM 1179 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 20/12/2010 12:57:42 AM 894 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? fairfax - 20/12/2010 02:02:05 AM 1046 Views
Re: Egwene, a poor leader? Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 07:08:37 AM 957 Views
She has the same power base as any Amyrlin - the Aes Sedai, the artisans, Guards & citizens of TV RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 05:51:20 PM 1047 Views
Ta'veren vs. Mary Sue lilltempest - 17/12/2010 07:33:28 PM 1432 Views
I see them as being the same thing. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2010 08:11:30 PM 1056 Views
I don't think the case can be made for Rand having it easy A Deathwatch Guard - 17/12/2010 11:04:58 PM 974 Views
I would say that in the grand scheme of things, Rand's had good to balance out the bad. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:27:35 PM 965 Views
Funniest statement I've ever seen on here. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:22:28 AM 1070 Views
Agree with your comments. Rebekah - 20/12/2010 03:12:32 PM 1272 Views
But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/12/2010 06:17:17 PM 1368 Views
Re: But you are just undervaluing Egwene's struggles in comparison to the other characters. Lord Haart - 22/12/2010 05:28:01 PM 1143 Views
You need to post more about Egwene Zeratul - 17/12/2010 08:16:19 PM 1022 Views
Nah. Just a hyopcrite. *NM* Chas - 17/12/2010 09:28:28 PM 532 Views
Yes, but for completely different reasons... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 12:35:23 AM 1093 Views
Yes, communication is key. Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 05:32:01 AM 954 Views
You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lohikaarme - 18/12/2010 12:27:01 PM 918 Views
Re: You think Egwene has more power than Tuon? Lord Haart - 18/12/2010 02:41:25 PM 842 Views
Definitely... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2010 03:24:12 PM 958 Views
Where does the 200000 number come from? *NM* moratcorlm - 18/12/2010 03:36:22 PM 486 Views
That's not right... Hot Pie - 19/12/2010 12:56:25 AM 926 Views
Re: That's not right... fairfax - 19/12/2010 11:38:54 PM 1049 Views
What's said above. Plus Lohikaarme - 19/12/2010 11:00:42 AM 897 Views
More explanations... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:51:25 AM 922 Views
Re: More explanations... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:40:46 AM 977 Views
Aiel, Cairhien and Andor are NOT under Egwenes power. Lohikaarme - 20/12/2010 02:46:44 PM 984 Views
Re: More explanations... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 03:58:58 PM 1105 Views
An Amyrlin doesn't really have a power base. BlackAdder - 18/12/2010 05:43:12 AM 1028 Views
I think comparing Egwene to McCain is asking for trouble on several fronts. Joel - 20/12/2010 12:33:04 AM 925 Views
She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 02:41:32 AM 947 Views
RJ is more powerful. Joel - 20/12/2010 03:25:49 AM 1068 Views
I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 03:58:03 AM 986 Views
Re: I'd advise a re-read. Of ToM, and maybe the whole series... Lohikaarme - 21/12/2010 09:08:20 PM 988 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 09:46:22 AM 1023 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2010 09:55:03 AM 892 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 10:27:59 AM 981 Views
One example of this... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:15:03 AM 1016 Views
Re: One example of this... moratcorlm - 20/12/2010 11:22:10 AM 882 Views
Re: She has a pretty powerful weapon... Zeratul - 20/12/2010 11:08:35 AM 961 Views
That's not quite true. Chas - 20/12/2010 10:35:45 PM 978 Views
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