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We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow Send a noteboard - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM
You've arbitrarily decided Lanfear being overwhelmingly strong means she's more than five times as strong as the weakest AS. But the weakest AS at 30-35, and problem solved.


Leane is less than half her former strength, and yet she is still stronger than Daigian. And Leane's former strength is not even as strong as Moiraine or Siuan's former strengths.

So Daigian cannot be much above one third Moiraine's full strength.

Clearly, Daigian is not one third Lanfear's strength.



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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 1980 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1034 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1122 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 983 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 889 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 929 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1078 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 925 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 934 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 907 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1141 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 878 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 935 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 905 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 936 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 848 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 972 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 922 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 844 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 957 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 834 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 801 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 890 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 947 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 904 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 619 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 873 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 631 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 881 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 736 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 973 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 877 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 821 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 886 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 862 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 883 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 908 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 605 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 751 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 870 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 764 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 891 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 855 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1015 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 921 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 867 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 836 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 907 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 834 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 797 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 733 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 850 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 861 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 846 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 839 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 845 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 811 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 784 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 865 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 776 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 852 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 589 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 884 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 823 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 902 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 900 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 834 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 835 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 893 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 841 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 929 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 868 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 777 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 832 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 876 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 779 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 792 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 832 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 764 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 853 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 548 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 848 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 836 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 797 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 744 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 861 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 767 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 897 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 932 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 754 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 841 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 751 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 982 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 827 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 775 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 761 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1009 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 799 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 837 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 812 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 851 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 857 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 810 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 859 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 818 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 786 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 659 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 931 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 789 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1002 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 807 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 921 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 909 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 884 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 867 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 742 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1159 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 860 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 879 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 860 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 684 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 874 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 780 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 815 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 888 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1072 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 859 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1029 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 932 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 899 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 935 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 958 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 974 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 792 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 700 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 888 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 915 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 811 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 830 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 845 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 802 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1067 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 830 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 907 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1187 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 995 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1137 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 805 Views
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