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I don't really agree Sidious Send a noteboard - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM
I mean, in martial arts, is a fight EVER decided by simply who can bench the most weight?

Of course strength helps, but it's one of many factors- dexterity, confidence, how well you perform under pressure, intelligence, how well you can adapt...

And that doesn't even take into account Talents! Talents in Wheel of Time have always been kind of... ill-defined. Sometimes they count as a special ability, like Foretelling, or Having Stretchy Shields, or Making Ter'Angreal, or Aviendha's Thing.

Sometimes it just means you are able to use a weave- Traveling is apparently a talent, even though, once you know how to do it, it's basically just another weave.

And THEN come the elements. If you want to have a "who's the most powerful channeler" contest, do you make them lift a rock with threads of Air? Except everyone has different levels of "strength" in Air.


Bah. It just bugs me, especially with all the recent bell curve nonsense. Sure, you can get a general aggregate "feel" for raw strength, but that means next to nothing against the first Aes Sedai who figures out how to pull asteroids down out of the sky.


Strength in the power probably has a much greater range than physical strength. It's easier to say that physical strength is less important in martial arts because the strongest man is probably only two or three times as strong as the weakest one.

With the OP it may be different. It seems like high strength channelers can be many times stronger. We have seen historical evidence that when six women try to catch high strength males, they often die or are stilled, showing how incredibly powerful a high level channeler can be.

It's like fighting a man who is ten metres tall. It's possible that you can use a lot of skill to defeat him (trip him up etc...), but if he stands on you or lands a punch just once, you're a dead man.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2670 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1662 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1769 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1591 Views
- 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1462 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1481 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1559 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1721 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1474 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1533 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1523 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1591 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1435 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1590 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1565 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1461 Views
No it's the literary device - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1572 Views
This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1438 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1352 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1512 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1583 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1554 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 926 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1468 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 947 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1510 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1385 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1552 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1443 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1425 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1454 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1448 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1486 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1537 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 911 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1296 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1468 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1375 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1518 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1437 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1595 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1515 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1489 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1468 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1522 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1455 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1379 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1318 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1441 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1526 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1433 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1454 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1423 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1446 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1342 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1487 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1379 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1461 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 913 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1449 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1412 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1458 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1487 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1466 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1410 Views
Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1513 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1464 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1544 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1473 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1376 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1458 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1452 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1365 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1393 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1394 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1358 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1439 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 877 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1437 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1448 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1424 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1333 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1489 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1358 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1517 Views
Indeed - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1540 Views
Rand is sort of a special case - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1431 Views
Regarding Mesaana... - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1429 Views
You continue to mix two things - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1349 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1585 Views
You are mistaken - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1398 Views
Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1362 Views
Yet there is no duel - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1360 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1635 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1419 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1471 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1434 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1430 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1479 Views
You missed my point - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1389 Views
Re: You missed my point - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1521 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1399 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1374 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1282 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1540 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1332 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1538 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1411 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1499 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1490 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1470 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1452 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1313 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1930 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1438 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1490 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1500 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1279 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1474 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1373 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1435 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1523 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1779 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1451 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1763 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1491 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1476 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1504 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1524 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1572 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1448 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1343 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1495 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1553 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1375 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1430 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1439 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1367 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1625 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1431 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1503 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1791 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1569 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1921 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1149 Views

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