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Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM
he is as strong as a Forsaken from almost his first moments touching the Source (he's stronger than Aginor in EoTW and a match for Be'lal and Ishamael in TDR) in all honesty his strength has been inconsistent throughout the series, but he's never been weaker than any Forsaken Male. Egwene and Elayne were both well short of their ultimate strength when he manhandles them and Verin and Alana are probably no more than Mean level Sisters so him overpowering them is a no brainer ... on my scale the stongest they can be is 32 ... Maybe 1 SD above a Mean of 24 or so ... combined they wouldn't be much more than 1/2 of a Forsaken male.

When you consider a Forsaken is going to be at a minimum an Effective strength of 85 it's going to take the most Powerful sisters (Myrelle or higher) to even be a strength match for a single weak Forsaken on a strength basis ... at a minimum they would need 3 of the Strongest Sisters to have a reliable strength match and even that would easily be countered by superior skill. If Nynaeve was ball park 85 in Ebou Dar, Ispan and Falion combined would be around around a 60-65 and their shield would be viable. Even if they lost 10% of their raw power they would gain effectiveness from linking and could hold Nynaeve.

I agree that for most of the series Egwene is around a 65-70 (between 80-90% or her potential), but I don't think she's hit her full potential ( 80 IMO) until maybe TGS when we see some significant increases in her abilities. Even in KoD she briefly considers taking on 5 AS until she realizes she's been forkrooted. And in ToM, after her massive use of Power using Vora's sa'angreal probably pushed her to her full potential, she is confident she can defeat Mesaana in single combat, which lends to her being much closer to Forsaken Strength than AS strength. And let's not forget that RJ noted that Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha are ONE level below the Forsaken.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2575 Views
Well... - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1579 Views
Hmm... - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1671 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1518 Views
- 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1376 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1404 Views
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They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1470 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1624 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1392 Views
Hmmm... - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1445 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1440 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1509 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1359 Views
Keep believing that... - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1506 Views
*shrugs* - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1483 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1381 Views
No it's the literary device - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1490 Views
This is getting ridiculous... - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1351 Views
You are missing my point completely - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1280 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1425 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1505 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1458 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 877 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1364 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 886 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1419 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1302 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1468 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1355 Views
I don't really agree - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1344 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1370 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1367 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1403 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1436 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 860 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1215 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1393 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1296 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1434 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1352 Views
Are you kidding me? - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1509 Views
Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1419 Views
Re: Sure you can - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1395 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1369 Views
Oops, typo! - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1423 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1371 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1291 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1233 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1356 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1436 Views
Forkroot in every case - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1352 Views
No! - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1368 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1345 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1355 Views
Not going to argue this with you. - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1262 Views
Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1404 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1293 Views
Enough! - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1369 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 849 Views
What a brilliant argument! - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1370 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1322 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1378 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1378 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1367 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1335 Views
Excuse me? - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1420 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1376 Views
??? - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1456 Views
2 middling sisters - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1391 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1301 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1369 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1365 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1284 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1301 Views
Nope... - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1315 Views
wrong - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1279 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1361 Views
gotcha *NM* - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 822 Views
Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1351 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1350 Views
Exactly *NM* - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1330 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1241 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1406 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1264 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1435 Views
Indeed - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1448 Views
Rand is sort of a special case - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1332 Views
Regarding Mesaana... - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1341 Views
You continue to mix two things - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1254 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1502 Views
You are mistaken - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1304 Views
Yes she did Darius! - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1279 Views
Yet there is no duel - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1272 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1528 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1301 Views
It's irrelevant - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1383 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1344 Views
Daigian - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1340 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1397 Views
You missed my point - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1301 Views
Re: You missed my point - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1432 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1318 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1289 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1197 Views
Re: Sure you can - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1456 Views
Care to explain this... - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1235 Views
Indeed - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1445 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1321 Views
Well duh. - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1421 Views
Incorrect. - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1406 Views
No - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1383 Views
Re: No - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1369 Views
That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1224 Views
Re: That depends... - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1825 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1358 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1402 Views
It matters. - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1409 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1193 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1398 Views
You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1284 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1342 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1434 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1701 Views
Why? - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1360 Views
Re: Why? - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1673 Views
Well... - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1407 Views
Re: Well... - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1376 Views
Wow. - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1409 Views
Re: Wow. - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1435 Views
Some points - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1460 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1351 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1240 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1411 Views
Agreed - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1469 Views
probably - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1303 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1322 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1363 Views
Indeed... - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1268 Views
I agree - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1547 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1346 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1421 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1705 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1480 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1816 Views
Disregard this post *NM* - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1093 Views

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