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We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM
There is no reason to believe Daigian is .3SD below the Mean.


If 62.5% of channelers are stronger than Daigan, and strength in channeling is normally distributed, then Daigan is 0.32 standard deviations below the mean. Plain and simple.

The only thing we can say for certain at this point is that Morgase and Lanfear are the same number of SDs from the Mean.


How can we say that for certain? Who knows how many people like Morgase the Aes Sedai ignored because they didn't happen to be nobles with a tradition for training in the Tower?


We've been through this a million times. You can't have both a linear and a non-linear Bell Curve.

As for Morgase, she's been put forth as the weakest possible woman by implication if not overtly stated. Regardless, she is the proxy for the 0-level Channeler on our scale. However you look at it the Strongest possible woman and the weakest possible woman MUST be equidistant from the Mean.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2604 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1612 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1700 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1548 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1401 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1424 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1622 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1453 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1448 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1499 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1653 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1425 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1477 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1471 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1536 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1383 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1534 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1514 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1411 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1521 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1379 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1305 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1457 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1532 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1495 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 895 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1391 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 905 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1449 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1326 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1502 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1389 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1373 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1403 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1396 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1432 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1465 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 878 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1242 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1421 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1325 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1473 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1380 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1535 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1451 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1426 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1402 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1457 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1400 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1318 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1265 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1388 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1466 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1378 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1397 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1367 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1385 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1290 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1434 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1320 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1396 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 869 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1398 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1349 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1410 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1410 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1397 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1362 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1452 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1402 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1485 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1420 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1328 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1395 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1393 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1317 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1328 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1344 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1309 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1390 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 841 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1379 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1378 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1363 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1271 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1439 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1291 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1458 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1480 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1363 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1368 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1286 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1530 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1345 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1308 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1303 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1570 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1335 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1413 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1375 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1368 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1424 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1331 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1462 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1346 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1318 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1230 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1484 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1270 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1474 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1348 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1446 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1440 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1418 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1400 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1250 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1859 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1388 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1431 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1439 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1223 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1427 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1315 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1379 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1464 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1729 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1395 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1705 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1437 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1412 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1438 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1465 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1493 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1381 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1275 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1440 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1500 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1329 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1356 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1386 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1298 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1573 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1380 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1452 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1735 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1512 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1857 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1115 Views
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