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Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM
We've been through this a million times. You can't have both a linear and a non-linear Bell Curve.


I don't even understand what you mean by this. But then, I haven't read all the other posts on the topic.

As for Morgase, she's been put forth as the weakest possible woman by implication if not overtly stated. Regardless, she is the proxy for the 0-level Channeler on our scale. However you look at it the Strongest possible woman and the weakest possible woman MUST be equidistant from the Mean.


Nope, they mustn't. Not from the maths alone. And I'm fairly sure I would have remembered if the books had mentioned standard deviations at any point.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2468 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1471 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1566 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1417 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1268 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1299 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1482 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1326 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1319 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1348 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1538 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1308 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1355 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1337 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1405 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1249 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1403 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1381 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1268 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1379 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1253 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1187 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1315 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1391 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1356 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 829 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1260 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 848 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1318 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1173 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1374 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1259 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1241 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1267 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1254 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1292 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1335 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 810 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1128 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1306 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1182 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1326 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1256 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1407 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1309 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1315 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1271 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1309 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1265 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1173 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1118 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1246 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1316 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1255 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1244 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1252 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1252 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1160 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1309 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1194 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1266 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 802 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1273 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1220 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1280 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1284 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1270 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1244 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1338 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1278 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1361 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1284 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1206 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1233 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1257 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1184 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1201 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1213 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1181 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1259 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 771 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1247 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1242 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1217 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1144 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1299 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1165 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1325 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1350 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1219 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1248 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1148 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1413 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1223 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1179 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1173 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1406 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1189 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1282 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1235 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1239 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1284 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1204 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1308 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1208 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1172 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1101 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1341 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1142 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1348 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1214 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1305 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1319 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1285 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1257 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1137 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1708 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1254 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1308 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1301 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1099 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1295 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1174 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1251 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1328 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1602 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1265 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1568 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1311 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1289 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1303 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1325 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1358 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1237 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1115 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1303 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1365 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1197 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1228 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1268 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1186 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1453 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1249 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1327 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1604 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1386 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1702 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1041 Views
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