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Incorrect. Shannow Send a noteboard - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM

I hope this establishes the fact once and for all that whatever strength model anyone tries to suggest, if it is a normal distribution and it doesn't have Daigian at 0.32 SD below the mean, it is invalid.

There's no problem even with this, though. You can have one SD be 83.33, making every channeler alive within one SD from mean, and nothing makes that wrong. Its still a normal distribution.


If one SD is 83, as you indicate, that would mean that all channelers fall well within 1 SD of the Mean.

That is not possible in a Normal Distribution.
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How many standard deviations is Lanfear Lanfear - 15/11/2012 06:04:39 PM 2638 Views
Well... vandevere - 15/11/2012 07:02:45 PM 1637 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 15/11/2012 07:25:34 PM 1733 Views
see we CAN agree on stuff darius_sedai - 15/11/2012 07:56:12 PM 1569 Views
Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:37:22 PM 1428 Views
We've always been close with everything except the scale darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:29:07 PM 1450 Views
Re: DomA - 18/11/2012 11:07:17 PM 1643 Views
Re: Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:16:00 AM 1480 Views
Re: DomA - 19/11/2012 03:13:01 PM 1474 Views
They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:19:19 PM 1527 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% DomA - 19/11/2012 04:01:43 PM 1687 Views
Re: They only reject 37.5%, not 62.5% darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:04:04 PM 1446 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:08:40 AM 1499 Views
Perhaps, but Egwene is also being a bit dramatic in the scene as she managed darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:28:57 AM 1495 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:13:13 PM 1563 Views
I believe she is being over dramatic darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:26:24 PM 1406 Views
Keep believing that... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:30:14 PM 1562 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:49:10 PM 1541 Views
Tired and forkroot are the same now? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:55:22 PM 1432 Views
No it's the literary device darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:04:28 PM 1545 Views
This is getting ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:43:13 PM 1403 Views
You are missing my point completely darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:50:46 PM 1325 Views
Impossible. Daigian is exactly 0.32SD below the mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 11:06:04 AM 1483 Views
You keep saying that, but it is either a linear or a non-linear distribution darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:09:32 PM 1554 Views
That's the whole point. Thanks for finally seeing it. Shannow - 19/11/2012 09:43:27 PM 1520 Views
keep believing that ... but you making up numbers isn't really relevant *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:29:44 AM 910 Views
Please show me a number that is made up. The 0.32SD for Daigian is a rule of statistics. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:15:48 AM 1422 Views
Go read Fionwe's post about it *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:33:19 PM 925 Views
Is that before or after she started juicing? Praziquantel - 15/11/2012 11:04:14 PM 1475 Views
Wouldn't it be 1 in 105 million? Lanfear - 21/11/2012 04:56:19 PM 1353 Views
Are you sure that it is a normal distribution? Dreadlord - 16/11/2012 04:21:02 PM 1524 Views
Ugh. I hate power level discussions. For real world applications, it should be kind of meaningless beetnemesis - 16/11/2012 10:28:49 PM 1414 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:40:53 PM 1397 Views
Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:13:48 PM 1424 Views
Re: Perhaps, but we've seen that a MUCH weaker Channeler can win in a duel Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:10:01 AM 1419 Views
probably ... Lanfear/Cyndane is clearly remarkably skilled darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:35:09 PM 1458 Views
Since I've proven that it's not a normal distribution in units of absolute strength, SDs don't apply Shannow - 17/11/2012 07:48:21 PM 1502 Views
You have proven nothing, except that you have an opinion *NM* darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:21:35 AM 891 Views
You simply don't get it. It is mathematically a fact. There is no opinion involved. Shannow - 18/11/2012 02:19:40 PM 1264 Views
Only because you've assigned numeric values. That you created. darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 02:40:51 PM 1439 Views
It doesn't matter what figure you use... Shannow - 18/11/2012 03:01:56 PM 1347 Views
What if Daigian is one third Lanfear's strength? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 04:37:58 PM 1494 Views
We have a limit for Daigian's strength, as you well know. Shannow - 18/11/2012 05:41:49 PM 1407 Views
Are you kidding me? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2012 09:07:38 PM 1562 Views
Sure you can darius_sedai - 18/11/2012 10:09:31 PM 1480 Views
Re: Sure you can DomA - 18/11/2012 10:54:50 PM 1453 Views
You're right, though its 37.5% fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 12:21:29 AM 1433 Views
Oops, typo! darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:54:25 AM 1485 Views
Again, not possible, due to Daigian being just 0.3SD below the Mean Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:37:01 AM 1426 Views
Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:05:12 PM 1349 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 19/11/2012 05:55:02 PM 1286 Views
Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 09:19:50 PM 1413 Views
Re: Egwene is about as strong as Melaine and Amys combined fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:11:26 AM 1494 Views
Forkroot in every case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:32:26 AM 1402 Views
No! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:15:16 PM 1419 Views
I'm not going to go re-read the books to you on this darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:39:46 PM 1389 Views
You need to read it for yourself, since you're completely confused. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:54:26 PM 1414 Views
Not going to argue this with you. darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:09:44 PM 1309 Views
Your own example disproved your point... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:39:25 PM 1459 Views
let's see, she's both asleep and would need hours to regain her strength darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:43:17 PM 1345 Views
Enough! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:04:06 PM 1428 Views
LOL ... whatever. You go on believing that ... no one else sees it this way. *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:20:52 PM 883 Views
What a brilliant argument! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:25:18 PM 1422 Views
this is why I refuse to continue this debate darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:31:11 PM 1379 Views
Re: Your own example disproved your point... Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:10:15 PM 1429 Views
Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:26:31 PM 1437 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:31:50 PM 1424 Views
Re: Barasine + Katerine isn't that much less than darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:42:53 PM 1379 Views
Excuse me? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:28:48 PM 1474 Views
see we can agree on the relative strength of Egwene v. Forsaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:35:07 PM 1429 Views
??? Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:37:01 PM 1508 Views
2 middling sisters darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:45:27 PM 1440 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:26:47 AM 1353 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:03:40 AM 1421 Views
Re: Egwene is definitely not 2x Amys... darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 02:59:08 PM 1421 Views
None of this is backed by any evidence... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:24:12 PM 1339 Views
who said Cadsuane was 1.5x Moiraine or more? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:03:13 PM 1364 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:41:35 PM 1365 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:48:50 PM 1333 Views
My bad. Mized up 1/3 and 2/3. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:05:05 PM 1410 Views
gotcha *NM* darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:46:21 PM 859 Views
Better evidence? LOL! fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:18:55 PM 1403 Views
Huh? How did you come to that conclusion? darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:40:56 PM 1408 Views
Exactly *NM* Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:55:28 PM 1391 Views
BEcause Cadsuane is close on the heels of Egwene? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:10:50 PM 1296 Views
I'm not arguing that. I agree that Cadsuane is pretty close to Egwene darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:50:34 PM 1459 Views
Re: Better evidence? LOL! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:00:47 PM 1320 Views
Interesting, but let's go with your figures... Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:54:54 AM 1486 Views
Indeed Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:16:44 AM 1508 Views
Rand is sort of a special case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:25:02 AM 1400 Views
Regarding Mesaana... Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:42:56 AM 1399 Views
You continue to mix two things darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 03:24:44 PM 1315 Views
No Sidious - 20/11/2012 04:54:19 PM 1554 Views
You are mistaken darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 05:04:40 PM 1367 Views
Yes she did Darius! Sidious - 20/11/2012 05:27:36 PM 1333 Views
Yet there is no duel darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:01:17 PM 1329 Views
Explain the .3xSD thing to me... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 04:58:57 PM 1604 Views
Probably, but the AS have no idea what 37.5% means darius_sedai - 19/11/2012 02:59:26 AM 1376 Views
It's irrelevant DomA - 19/11/2012 03:46:42 AM 1442 Views
Agreed. Daigian is the marker of the absolute bottom of Aes Sedai strength. Shannow - 19/11/2012 06:55:41 AM 1400 Views
Daigian Sidious - 19/11/2012 08:12:19 AM 1398 Views
It is a direct marker due to RJ's quote Shannow - 19/11/2012 08:50:26 AM 1454 Views
You missed my point Sidious - 19/11/2012 09:08:42 AM 1358 Views
Re: You missed my point DomA - 19/11/2012 02:18:33 PM 1492 Views
Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:41:11 AM 1371 Views
Re: Asmodean would never have made the comment about 13 weakest AS Sidious - 20/11/2012 09:07:49 AM 1347 Views
Which would make an average AS around a 30 darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:58:56 PM 1251 Views
Re: Sure you can Tor - 19/11/2012 09:22:09 AM 1513 Views
Care to explain this... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2012 05:06:28 PM 1300 Views
Indeed Tor - 20/11/2012 07:16:37 AM 1505 Views
Explained far better than I ever could. Bravo. Shannow - 20/11/2012 07:30:29 AM 1378 Views
Well duh. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:57:24 PM 1471 Views
Incorrect. Shannow - 20/11/2012 04:28:07 PM 1465 Views
No fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:44:16 PM 1437 Views
Re: No Tor - 20/11/2012 04:48:36 PM 1422 Views
That depends... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:18:46 PM 1279 Views
Re: That depends... Tor - 20/11/2012 05:31:03 PM 1896 Views
You're integrating without lower limits... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 02:55:06 PM 1411 Views
Re: You're integrating without lower limits... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:37:57 PM 1457 Views
It matters. fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:22:40 PM 1468 Views
We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:44:24 AM 1251 Views
Re: We are not talking about a normal distribution in any case Tor - 20/11/2012 07:02:47 AM 1447 Views
You must tell me of this special math... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 03:10:09 PM 1341 Views
Re: You must tell me of this special math... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:29:40 PM 1405 Views
Morghase is a placeholder... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 04:45:42 PM 1489 Views
Re: Morghase is a placeholder... Tor - 20/11/2012 04:49:54 PM 1752 Views
Why? fionwe1987 - 20/11/2012 05:23:29 PM 1420 Views
Re: Why? Tor - 20/11/2012 05:36:45 PM 1730 Views
Well... Sidious - 18/11/2012 08:43:59 PM 1464 Views
Re: Well... DomA - 19/11/2012 03:40:44 PM 1444 Views
Wow. Shannow - 19/11/2012 03:53:47 PM 1463 Views
Re: Wow. DomA - 19/11/2012 04:26:09 PM 1497 Views
Some points Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:03:00 PM 1524 Views
Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid Sidious - 19/11/2012 06:09:36 PM 1414 Views
Re: Well then you're both wrong I'm afraid DomA - 19/11/2012 07:42:58 PM 1308 Views
this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 04:51:20 AM 1471 Views
Agreed Sidious - 20/11/2012 08:13:37 AM 1522 Views
probably darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 06:18:45 PM 1350 Views
Re: this is why I think all of the Forsaken are very close in Power DomA - 20/11/2012 02:45:18 PM 1399 Views
I think RJ went out of his way to keep strength a bit of a mystery darius_sedai - 20/11/2012 08:42:44 PM 1410 Views
Indeed... DomA - 21/11/2012 05:44:18 PM 1326 Views
I agree darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 01:43:02 AM 1598 Views
Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Lanfear - 21/11/2012 05:12:24 PM 1404 Views
the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 02:55:03 AM 1472 Views
Re: the problem is that the Mean is not going to tell us much really Lanfear - 22/11/2012 03:15:33 AM 1759 Views
I do not think you can calculate the Mean without knowing the Units of Power darius_sedai - 22/11/2012 03:53:59 AM 1535 Views
Re: Math gurus...Is it possible to find the missing variable... Tor - 23/11/2012 02:59:12 PM 1886 Views
Disregard this post *NM* Tor - 23/11/2012 03:02:24 PM 1133 Views
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