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Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM
Firstly, Rand's assumption that the fading of the webs of Compulsion signalled her death are erroneous. Weaves such as Compulsion are generally set and remain regardless of whether the channeler dies. Indeed, the Warder Bond still has an effect on the mind of a bondmember who loses the other - it doesn't simply vanish.

Secondly, Graendal is not an idiot. I say this because we already know what her modus operandi would be - she came out and said it much earlier in the series. 1) She would throw herself at his mercy counting on his treatment of women and 2) She would flee and go to another base of operations. This second answer, it seems to me, to account for her treatment of the noble Rand sent. It seems to me that once you get a messenger from the Dragon Reborn at your secret palace, it is time to escape as soon as possible, because he is at your doorstep and has destroyed other formidable opponents. I don't think she would know about Semirhage's death, but I also don't think it's important - Graendal isn't the type to risk a confrontation given how disastruosly Semirhage's went. Also, and most luckily for her, she did well to create chaos and cripple Arad Doman. Even better, she knows that Rand has done something even more terrible than her Compulsion - he's removed innocent souls from the Pattern never to be Reborn. This will cause him pain in the future, especially when she re-appears. Even worse, he duplicated a tactic that Aes Sedai and Forsaken in the Age of Legends had abandoned as being detrimental to the Pattern - who knows what he has unleashed in the space/time continuum of the area?

Finally, if she is alive, I think her next base of operations - Shara, which she already knows enough to Travel to since she has the Sh'boan/Sh'botay. Even more ominous is that it perfectly fits with her habit of adopting bases of operations that are far from the other Forsaken's.

I think it interesting that Rand doesn't consider the obvious - inverted wards to sense a male channeling are probably erected all over the palace and the surrounding grounds - she may have well had an alert as soon as he used the access key. Even more obvious would be a humongous light boiling in the air in a forest not quote out of sight of the palace. She may have very well used her Compulsion, sent the nobleman back in a hurry while gathering her angreal, useful servants and etc, and then seeing the bar of white light forming, Travelled away from the area immediately. Bel'al himself realized what Moiraine was weaving based on the reaction in the air before her, and she was handling a far weaker amount of saidar to generate it compared to what Rand held. Plus, the palace itself, not being a fortress, probably has many more vantage points to see from. Heck, Moriding could have woven a gateway, informed her that the Dragon was on her doorstep and that could have been why her Compulsion on the nobleman was so thick.

Also, I think she killed Asmodean - thought so for years and even if she is now dead, that doesn't remove her from the list of suspects.
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Graendal's fate? - 02/11/2009 04:18:11 AM 1876 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 04:22:48 AM 880 Views
Maybe... - 02/11/2009 04:28:16 AM 854 Views
I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:36:37 AM 897 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 04:40:30 AM 835 Views
Re: I think it's fair to say at this point that Graendal did not kill Asmodean. - 02/11/2009 05:08:09 AM 792 Views
Why has she been removed from the list of suspects? - 02/11/2009 02:29:41 PM 774 Views
She is dead - 09/11/2009 01:37:03 AM 724 Views
That's pretty terrible logic - 19/11/2009 05:58:57 AM 886 Views
I disagree. - 02/11/2009 10:29:21 PM 727 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:43:45 AM 352 Views
Could it have been Verin who killed Asmodean? - 02/11/2009 05:20:37 AM 1296 Views
She is dead *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 05:44:21 AM 879 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 03/11/2009 09:01:07 AM 743 Views
Re: She is dead *spoilers* - 09/11/2009 01:38:56 AM 852 Views
I say dead. *NM* - 02/11/2009 06:07:15 AM 398 Views
Dead. - 02/11/2009 06:46:10 AM 724 Views
Dead as Dumbledore. But why does it preclude her from being Asmo's killer? - 02/11/2009 07:04:08 AM 813 Views
Right. That info could easily be revealed through the POV of another. *NM* - 02/11/2009 02:15:31 PM 361 Views
It could but... - 02/11/2009 03:14:23 PM 809 Views
Moridin would most likely know. - 02/11/2009 04:06:04 PM 723 Views
Well.... - 02/11/2009 08:52:52 AM 778 Views
*NM* - 18/11/2009 10:45:52 PM 343 Views
Alive until proven otherwise IMO *spoilers* - 02/11/2009 03:47:51 PM 798 Views
That weave was very complex. - 02/11/2009 10:34:36 PM 718 Views
Actually, the one that Rand had Nynaeve study earlier was more complex. - 04/11/2009 05:11:07 PM 800 Views
But you can't reverse Compulsion by unraveling it, right? - 18/11/2009 10:48:08 PM 742 Views
Almost certainly dead - 02/11/2009 04:48:18 PM 893 Views
Yeah. Compared to, say, Sammael's "death" - 02/11/2009 10:40:01 PM 801 Views
Not even almost. Graendal and Sammael now both go well with eggs. *NM* - 03/11/2009 01:51:15 AM 383 Views
Oh, I agree, but fiction, deus ex machina, etc - 04/11/2009 09:58:42 PM 732 Views
Graendal is dead. the evidence is pretty hard - 03/11/2009 08:00:27 PM 3064 Views
Well, unlike everyone else, - 04/11/2009 01:34:57 AM 724 Views
Alive. It's the simplest answer for me, especially considering that Rand knew she was more cunning - 04/11/2009 05:03:38 PM 903 Views
Re: Balefire. - 04/11/2009 05:30:12 PM 730 Views
Not necessarily. - 04/11/2009 06:08:34 PM 701 Views
The thing is... - 04/11/2009 06:25:43 PM 777 Views
Here's the rub - she had no desire to come into contact with Rand. - 04/11/2009 10:30:05 PM 955 Views
Hm. Possible. - 04/11/2009 06:42:12 PM 1019 Views
I think it's the most simple possibility. - 04/11/2009 10:39:02 PM 732 Views
Re: I think it's the most simple possibility. - 09/11/2009 01:51:52 AM 663 Views
That's just absurd - 04/11/2009 10:48:30 PM 815 Views
No, I'm making it more simple. - 04/11/2009 11:11:36 PM 747 Views
That thoery doesn't account for the undoing of the Compulsion - 04/11/2009 11:50:06 PM 768 Views
Yes, it does. Distance causes maintained weaves and Links to attenuate. - 05/11/2009 04:22:37 PM 786 Views
Yes, but Compulsion is almost never a maintained weave *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:19:24 PM 409 Views
But the real question in my mind... - 02/12/2009 08:28:31 PM 729 Views
Well - 06/12/2009 08:45:12 PM 1170 Views
Odds are she's dead - 06/12/2009 08:48:19 PM 614 Views
Re: No, I'm making it more simple. - 09/11/2009 01:53:49 AM 740 Views
Amen! Praise the Great Lord of the Dark! **I agree with all points** - 05/11/2009 07:21:52 AM 771 Views
This sounds familiar. - 09/11/2009 06:54:17 AM 683 Views
Yes... - 17/11/2009 12:12:04 PM 681 Views
Yeah, I was shocked initially. - 18/11/2009 10:58:15 PM 745 Views
Proof for reincarnation exists - 26/11/2009 06:38:17 PM 712 Views
RJ said... - 26/11/2009 06:51:26 PM 831 Views
But Rand's was spread over a LARGE area *NM* - 27/11/2009 12:17:47 AM 312 Views
He was drawing through the Choedan Kal... *NM* - 27/11/2009 01:09:23 AM 306 Views

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