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But that is exactly... Etzel Send a noteboard - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM
... would turn on their neighbors as TG rages. Were I Demandred, I would seek out peoples who are unfamiliar with the Westlands, peoples who could be convinced of the evils of the Westlands and it's inhabitants. Or perhaps groups of dedicated darkfriends. To think that an entire Westland nation would turn its armies on their neighbors while trollocs are pouring out of the Blight and reality itself is breaking apart... well, I just don't think Demandred is quite that good.


What Forsaken like Be'lal, Sammael or Rahvin planned: turn potential Lightsiders against Lightsiders in a war before TG, so that the Westlands aren't united and chaos rules. Also e.g. Forsaken like Graendal, Mesaana and Aran'gar naturally created strife among the people in the Westlands by manipulation. We even see that the Borderlanders not simply join Rand, although TG looms.

Demandred just has to convince the Murandian leaders that e.g. Andor is the enemy, because Andoran troops were sent into Murandy, and he might get a war. Even if the Murandian army is eventually annihilated by Rand & Co., it would make more chaos and lessen the troops, which could fight for the Light. If Demandred has additionally links to the leaders of Dragonsworn bands all over the west of the Westlands, he could at the same time order them to make more chaos in their respective countries. If this leads to more wars or civil wars in Arad Doman, Tarabon, Ghealdan, Amadicia, Altara, Murandy and Andor it would be pretty impressive.
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The legend of Murandy's unimportance Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:02:16 PM 1389 Views
But it's still a small country Sidious - 15/12/2009 03:06:24 PM 760 Views
Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:10:11 PM 797 Views
Re: Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:44:22 PM 723 Views
The Dragonsworn made chaos in half of the Westlands. Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:55:00 PM 1010 Views
Agreed, only Sammael, Rhavin and Be'lal really laid claim to nations darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:12:17 PM 732 Views
to confirm you amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:47:22 PM 756 Views
I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 03:06:54 PM 767 Views
As said, controlling Murandy plus chaos by the Dragonsworn in 6 Westland nations. *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:11:25 PM 335 Views
well no, arad doman and tarabon were not his.... *NM* mazza3 - 15/12/2009 03:57:27 PM 371 Views
Umm.., care to elaborate? *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:10:15 PM 335 Views
I was pretty sure that the Dragonsworn as a fighting force were destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 04:07:38 PM 710 Views
But the Dragonsworn caused much chaos everywhere they were through the series... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:28:42 PM 679 Views
But that's not the Shadow's aim. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 06:32:38 PM 747 Views
What if the only way to free the DO involves the world lacking the order necessary to contain him? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 11:59:47 PM 691 Views
I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca... Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM 785 Views
Those a pretty flimsy conformities, IMO... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:53:04 PM 729 Views
Of course.. Shannow - 15/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 734 Views
The Seanchan have elephants too ... S'redit I think they call them darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:04:40 AM 829 Views
Yes, but with so many Trollocs who needs vast armies of men? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:15:08 PM 708 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. dadof5 - 15/12/2009 08:15:05 PM 775 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 08:28:02 PM 686 Views
But this has been going on since at least aCoS darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:07:08 AM 677 Views
Re: But this has been going on since at least aCoS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2009 03:01:00 PM 713 Views
well, it's not like the Forsaken have been particularly impressive thus far darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 06:51:38 PM 687 Views
It's about the impact of action. Timing. amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:53:03 PM 694 Views
Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:06:42 PM 893 Views
Well... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:22:57 PM 750 Views
Re: Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 07:59:16 PM 737 Views
It is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 15/12/2009 10:49:20 PM 688 Views
It's importance lies in it's strategic location. Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/12/2009 04:46:20 AM 697 Views
I think some Murandians might mention Trollocs gathering there. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:05:29 AM 716 Views
what if they're wearing dresses and lady masks? *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 09:10:57 AM 328 Views
Do the ladies in Murandy wear masks? I don't recall. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 09:24:46 AM 699 Views
masks to look like ladies *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 04:11:07 PM 341 Views
Note to self: Avoid the Murandian ladies... *NM* BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 335 Views
Moridin is gathering the Trollocs in the Blight, as we learn in TGS! Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:13:38 PM 694 Views
A Murandian army is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:59:54 PM 691 Views
For example, the Great Captain Bryne doesn't agree with you... Etzel - 16/12/2009 08:25:19 PM 688 Views
Maybe he's based in an alternate universe? BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:26:53 PM 683 Views
He doesn't? Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:37:34 PM 665 Views
Like the supposed unimportance of Murandy, it's a typical misunderstanding... Etzel - 17/12/2009 11:56:16 AM 768 Views
Re: A Murandian army is insignificant. Sidious - 16/12/2009 08:27:28 PM 702 Views
Surely you jest. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:39:23 PM 607 Views
Re: Surely you jest. Sidious - 17/12/2009 06:35:57 AM 665 Views
Well that depends. Fanatic-Templar - 17/12/2009 08:33:12 PM 682 Views
As said, it's additional chaos and strife. Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:01:05 PM 1107 Views
Its illogical to assume that Westlanders... Heiko - 16/12/2009 12:25:08 AM 699 Views
But that is exactly... Etzel - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM 696 Views
I agree mostly. It's a common RJ theme Deadsy - 16/12/2009 07:42:39 AM 729 Views
Honestly, at this point BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:07:35 AM 715 Views
In my view... Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:10:20 PM 652 Views
Re: In my view... BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 04:08:41 PM 697 Views
Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM 818 Views
I think... Etzel - 17/12/2009 12:07:05 PM 655 Views
You're right Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 12:33:35 PM 695 Views
Interesting. BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 05:41:20 PM 638 Views
Aran'gar playing Demandred... Etzel - 17/12/2009 06:23:23 PM 696 Views
Ah, right that order is certainly out of character with Demandred. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 06:40:32 PM 296 Views
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