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But that is exactly... Etzel Send a noteboard - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM
... would turn on their neighbors as TG rages. Were I Demandred, I would seek out peoples who are unfamiliar with the Westlands, peoples who could be convinced of the evils of the Westlands and it's inhabitants. Or perhaps groups of dedicated darkfriends. To think that an entire Westland nation would turn its armies on their neighbors while trollocs are pouring out of the Blight and reality itself is breaking apart... well, I just don't think Demandred is quite that good.


What Forsaken like Be'lal, Sammael or Rahvin planned: turn potential Lightsiders against Lightsiders in a war before TG, so that the Westlands aren't united and chaos rules. Also e.g. Forsaken like Graendal, Mesaana and Aran'gar naturally created strife among the people in the Westlands by manipulation. We even see that the Borderlanders not simply join Rand, although TG looms.

Demandred just has to convince the Murandian leaders that e.g. Andor is the enemy, because Andoran troops were sent into Murandy, and he might get a war. Even if the Murandian army is eventually annihilated by Rand & Co., it would make more chaos and lessen the troops, which could fight for the Light. If Demandred has additionally links to the leaders of Dragonsworn bands all over the west of the Westlands, he could at the same time order them to make more chaos in their respective countries. If this leads to more wars or civil wars in Arad Doman, Tarabon, Ghealdan, Amadicia, Altara, Murandy and Andor it would be pretty impressive.
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The legend of Murandy's unimportance Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:02:16 PM 1210 Views
But it's still a small country Sidious - 15/12/2009 03:06:24 PM 624 Views
Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:10:11 PM 627 Views
Re: Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:44:22 PM 577 Views
The Dragonsworn made chaos in half of the Westlands. Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:55:00 PM 845 Views
Agreed, only Sammael, Rhavin and Be'lal really laid claim to nations darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:12:17 PM 585 Views
to confirm you amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:47:22 PM 599 Views
I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 03:06:54 PM 598 Views
As said, controlling Murandy plus chaos by the Dragonsworn in 6 Westland nations. *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:11:25 PM 260 Views
well no, arad doman and tarabon were not his.... *NM* mazza3 - 15/12/2009 03:57:27 PM 272 Views
Umm.., care to elaborate? *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:10:15 PM 254 Views
I was pretty sure that the Dragonsworn as a fighting force were destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 04:07:38 PM 546 Views
But the Dragonsworn caused much chaos everywhere they were through the series... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:28:42 PM 525 Views
But that's not the Shadow's aim. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 06:32:38 PM 551 Views
What if the only way to free the DO involves the world lacking the order necessary to contain him? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 11:59:47 PM 524 Views
I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca... Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM 610 Views
Those a pretty flimsy conformities, IMO... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:53:04 PM 576 Views
Of course.. Shannow - 15/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 548 Views
The Seanchan have elephants too ... S'redit I think they call them darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:04:40 AM 602 Views
Yes, but with so many Trollocs who needs vast armies of men? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:15:08 PM 556 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. dadof5 - 15/12/2009 08:15:05 PM 622 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 08:28:02 PM 540 Views
But this has been going on since at least aCoS darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:07:08 AM 522 Views
Re: But this has been going on since at least aCoS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2009 03:01:00 PM 569 Views
well, it's not like the Forsaken have been particularly impressive thus far darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 06:51:38 PM 524 Views
It's about the impact of action. Timing. amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:53:03 PM 538 Views
Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:06:42 PM 704 Views
Well... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:22:57 PM 571 Views
Re: Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 07:59:16 PM 568 Views
It is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 15/12/2009 10:49:20 PM 527 Views
It's importance lies in it's strategic location. Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/12/2009 04:46:20 AM 542 Views
I think some Murandians might mention Trollocs gathering there. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:05:29 AM 558 Views
what if they're wearing dresses and lady masks? *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 09:10:57 AM 252 Views
Do the ladies in Murandy wear masks? I don't recall. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 09:24:46 AM 536 Views
masks to look like ladies *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 04:11:07 PM 253 Views
Note to self: Avoid the Murandian ladies... *NM* BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 267 Views
Moridin is gathering the Trollocs in the Blight, as we learn in TGS! Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:13:38 PM 522 Views
A Murandian army is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:59:54 PM 530 Views
For example, the Great Captain Bryne doesn't agree with you... Etzel - 16/12/2009 08:25:19 PM 528 Views
Maybe he's based in an alternate universe? BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:26:53 PM 513 Views
He doesn't? Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:37:34 PM 497 Views
Like the supposed unimportance of Murandy, it's a typical misunderstanding... Etzel - 17/12/2009 11:56:16 AM 597 Views
Re: A Murandian army is insignificant. Sidious - 16/12/2009 08:27:28 PM 555 Views
Surely you jest. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:39:23 PM 458 Views
Re: Surely you jest. Sidious - 17/12/2009 06:35:57 AM 518 Views
Well that depends. Fanatic-Templar - 17/12/2009 08:33:12 PM 527 Views
As said, it's additional chaos and strife. Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:01:05 PM 924 Views
Its illogical to assume that Westlanders... Heiko - 16/12/2009 12:25:08 AM 540 Views
But that is exactly... Etzel - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM 538 Views
I agree mostly. It's a common RJ theme Deadsy - 16/12/2009 07:42:39 AM 585 Views
Honestly, at this point BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:07:35 AM 539 Views
In my view... Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:10:20 PM 522 Views
Re: In my view... BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 04:08:41 PM 530 Views
Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM 629 Views
I think... Etzel - 17/12/2009 12:07:05 PM 508 Views
You're right Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 12:33:35 PM 546 Views
Interesting. BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 05:41:20 PM 483 Views
Aran'gar playing Demandred... Etzel - 17/12/2009 06:23:23 PM 527 Views
Ah, right that order is certainly out of character with Demandred. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 06:40:32 PM 223 Views
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