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Like the supposed unimportance of Murandy, it's a typical misunderstanding... Etzel Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 11:56:16 AM
When does Bryne say that Murandy would be a factor in a conflict between Rand's armies comprised of at least three powerful nations, most of the Aiel in the Waste and a legion of trained channeling war weapons, the Seanchan armies which have conquered similarly or more powerful nations near instantly, and all the Shadowspawn in the Blight?

To me such a sceanrio seems much more satisfying than a complete deux ex machina Sharan army or - even worse - one from the Land of the Madmen (which is only mentioned in the Guide).


I actually suspect Demandred is working through the Black Tower. I mean, what better way to both undercut his hated enemy and get an army capable of defeating him?


That Demandred would control the BT through Taim. While Taim is Rand's leader at the BT, Taim still has just 100 cronies; the other several hundred AM serve Rand, as far as we know. The BT is still in Rand's hand. If Rand calls for AM, Taim delivers them. Even Mesaana had a stronger control over the WT by controlling Elaida through Alviarin.

Taim also doesn't have any territorial power, except for maybe the grounds of the BT. That Demandred could call this his "secured rule" and that he is gathering 100 Taim's cronies (which are already gathered anyway), seems vastly more pitiful than that Demandred might control Murandy (maybe with a possible army of 100.000 men? ) and most Dragonsworn in the Westlands (maybe additionally 100.000 men?) to make more chaos.

If Demandred is only linked to the BT, it also doesn't explain what Demandred did before LoC. But the better clues indicate anyway, that Taim is directly under Moridin's oversight.
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The legend of Murandy's unimportance Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:02:16 PM 1346 Views
But it's still a small country Sidious - 15/12/2009 03:06:24 PM 722 Views
Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:10:11 PM 759 Views
Re: Again, Murandy might be a bit smaller Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:44:22 PM 686 Views
The Dragonsworn made chaos in half of the Westlands. Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:55:00 PM 968 Views
Agreed, only Sammael, Rhavin and Be'lal really laid claim to nations darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:12:17 PM 691 Views
to confirm you amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:47:22 PM 708 Views
I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 03:06:54 PM 721 Views
As said, controlling Murandy plus chaos by the Dragonsworn in 6 Westland nations. *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:11:25 PM 318 Views
well no, arad doman and tarabon were not his.... *NM* mazza3 - 15/12/2009 03:57:27 PM 346 Views
Umm.., care to elaborate? *NM* Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:10:15 PM 313 Views
I was pretty sure that the Dragonsworn as a fighting force were destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 04:07:38 PM 665 Views
But the Dragonsworn caused much chaos everywhere they were through the series... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:28:42 PM 638 Views
But that's not the Shadow's aim. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 06:32:38 PM 708 Views
What if the only way to free the DO involves the world lacking the order necessary to contain him? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 11:59:47 PM 648 Views
I have always said that Demandred is loosely based on Hannibal Barca... Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:29:22 PM 747 Views
Those a pretty flimsy conformities, IMO... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:53:04 PM 688 Views
Of course.. Shannow - 15/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 694 Views
The Seanchan have elephants too ... S'redit I think they call them darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:04:40 AM 763 Views
Yes, but with so many Trollocs who needs vast armies of men? darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 07:15:08 PM 665 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. dadof5 - 15/12/2009 08:15:05 PM 735 Views
Re: I'm just not convinced that this would be a coup major enough to earn Demandred DO Kudos. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 08:28:02 PM 646 Views
But this has been going on since at least aCoS darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 12:07:08 AM 636 Views
Re: But this has been going on since at least aCoS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2009 03:01:00 PM 678 Views
well, it's not like the Forsaken have been particularly impressive thus far darius_sedai - 16/12/2009 06:51:38 PM 645 Views
It's about the impact of action. Timing. amirebram - 15/12/2009 10:53:03 PM 652 Views
Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? Shannow - 15/12/2009 04:06:42 PM 853 Views
Well... Etzel - 15/12/2009 04:22:57 PM 713 Views
Re: Why does Demandred say: "We" will be ready? Why not "I" will be ready? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2009 07:59:16 PM 690 Views
It is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 15/12/2009 10:49:20 PM 643 Views
It's importance lies in it's strategic location. Rurouni_Kenshin - 16/12/2009 04:46:20 AM 658 Views
I think some Murandians might mention Trollocs gathering there. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:05:29 AM 675 Views
what if they're wearing dresses and lady masks? *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 09:10:57 AM 303 Views
Do the ladies in Murandy wear masks? I don't recall. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 09:24:46 AM 659 Views
masks to look like ladies *NM* Deadsy - 16/12/2009 04:11:07 PM 319 Views
Note to self: Avoid the Murandian ladies... *NM* BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 05:06:04 PM 315 Views
Moridin is gathering the Trollocs in the Blight, as we learn in TGS! Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:13:38 PM 654 Views
A Murandian army is insignificant. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 07:59:54 PM 648 Views
For example, the Great Captain Bryne doesn't agree with you... Etzel - 16/12/2009 08:25:19 PM 647 Views
Maybe he's based in an alternate universe? BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:26:53 PM 641 Views
He doesn't? Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:37:34 PM 612 Views
Like the supposed unimportance of Murandy, it's a typical misunderstanding... Etzel - 17/12/2009 11:56:16 AM 730 Views
Re: A Murandian army is insignificant. Sidious - 16/12/2009 08:27:28 PM 662 Views
Surely you jest. Fanatic-Templar - 16/12/2009 11:39:23 PM 560 Views
Re: Surely you jest. Sidious - 17/12/2009 06:35:57 AM 628 Views
Well that depends. Fanatic-Templar - 17/12/2009 08:33:12 PM 642 Views
As said, it's additional chaos and strife. Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:01:05 PM 1049 Views
Its illogical to assume that Westlanders... Heiko - 16/12/2009 12:25:08 AM 659 Views
But that is exactly... Etzel - 16/12/2009 11:53:11 AM 660 Views
I agree mostly. It's a common RJ theme Deadsy - 16/12/2009 07:42:39 AM 686 Views
Honestly, at this point BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 09:07:35 AM 672 Views
In my view... Etzel - 16/12/2009 12:10:20 PM 617 Views
Re: In my view... BlackAdder - 16/12/2009 04:08:41 PM 654 Views
Kisman's pov shows Demandred has been involved in the BT Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 06:01:49 AM 774 Views
I think... Etzel - 17/12/2009 12:07:05 PM 616 Views
You're right Light in the Night - 17/12/2009 12:33:35 PM 660 Views
Interesting. BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 05:41:20 PM 596 Views
Aran'gar playing Demandred... Etzel - 17/12/2009 06:23:23 PM 660 Views
Ah, right that order is certainly out of character with Demandred. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 06:40:32 PM 274 Views
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