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Re: Yes, really Datakim Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM
Why use both? Because they both have their place in battle, despite their complexity.

Blossoms of fire too close would hurt Rand + Party. Arrows of Fire are good for picking out those Trollocs that escape the Blossoms.

Both are required.


Except that LTT used AoF right away. I would buy your explanation if Rand switched to the arrows only after the trollocs got close. That is not the case. He started using them at the same time as the other weaves, when the trollocs were still far.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2975 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1708 Views
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Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1499 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1619 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1459 Views
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Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1578 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1565 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1511 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1512 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1613 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1503 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1491 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1452 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 991 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1720 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1412 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1504 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1666 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1355 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1620 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1586 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1537 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1768 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1619 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1593 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1507 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1565 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2133 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1506 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1522 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1443 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1537 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1325 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1236 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1448 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1559 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1413 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1518 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1412 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 906 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 935 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1517 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1389 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1539 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1539 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1409 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1505 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1414 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1451 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1428 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1338 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1508 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1379 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1466 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1507 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1464 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1402 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1476 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1496 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1483 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1452 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1386 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1469 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1403 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1426 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1351 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1430 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1409 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1517 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 873 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1448 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1566 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1456 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1397 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1541 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1489 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1464 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1527 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1457 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1484 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1361 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1333 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1590 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1596 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1429 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1432 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1524 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1401 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1455 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1400 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1388 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1445 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1434 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1422 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1430 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1509 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1437 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1369 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1397 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2775 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1526 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1447 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1400 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1279 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1446 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1518 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1652 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1576 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1499 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1560 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1488 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1441 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 773 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1335 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9988 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1424 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1617 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1319 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1520 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1358 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 891 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 849 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1515 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1497 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1547 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1486 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1462 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1444 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1436 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 875 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1440 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1497 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1449 Views
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