the most Rand has ever been shown to use is 12 in TSR!
As has been said, it was during the KoD trolloc attack. It was LTT who was doing it really but they are essentially the same (especially now) so what LTT can do, Rand can do.
During the attack, Rand creates 6 Blossoms of Fire at once.
Three weaves go into making one Blossom (Earth, Air, Fire)
That means to create the 6 blossoms took 18 weaves woven simultaneously.
However it is also written that LTT makes 6 deathgates at the _same time_ as he makes the blossoms. Again it takes 3 weaves (Spirit, Fire, Earth). That means another 18.
That means that according to the text, the absolute minimum amount that LTT/Rand can do is 36 simultaneous weaves. And those are actual complex weaves used to attack rather than simple glowing balls. (Though to be fair to Egwene, she was under forkroot so I assume she could do something real with her 14 weaves in other situations)
The arrow of fire thing is in addition to this, and its a bit more confusing. During the above scene, LTT does not do AoF since those require raised hands. However he does complain about not being able to raise his hands, which suggests that he could potentially have done the Arrows in addition to all that. Arrows of Fire use 2 weaves (Fire, Earth). So that would add the minimum to 38.
Though I do think, based on the text, that to create the arrows really did require just 2 flows rather than a hundred. The weave for the arrows is called "intricate" so I think it was the complexity of the weave that caused a constant stream of "arrows", rather than having to create a unique web for each one.
So any AS (including Egwene) could create Arrows of Fire, if they simply had the necessary skill, and knew how. A shame that Egwene does not have either or the Seanchan attack could have ended very differently. Could Nynaeve have created AoF? In truth I doubt it, but I think she is still superiour to Egwene. Neither of them could be considered elite-channelers, but Nynaeve is closer. Egwene has simply never done anything that would even suggest she is especially skilled. Like I said before, she has mostly been doing politics. In a pure test of OP, Nynaeve would easily dominate. And not just in healing but in every area.
Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right!
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- 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM
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- 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM
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Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat*
- 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM
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There there
- 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM
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- 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM
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Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS.
- 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM
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It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win.
- 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM
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Gawyn is incredibly irritating
- 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM
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No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true.
- 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM
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Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true.
- 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM
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Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true.
- 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM
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Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad.
- 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM
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Again, what? When?
- 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM
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Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland
- 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM
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Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM*
- 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM
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Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right!
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- 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM
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- 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM
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Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then.
- 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM
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Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass
- 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM
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I agree.
- 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM
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Re: I agree.
- 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM
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You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD.
- 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM
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Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD.
- 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM
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I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience.
- 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM
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Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass
- 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM
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yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test
- 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM
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Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test
- 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM
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That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed
- 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM
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she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought!
- 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM
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Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS.
- 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM
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she passed pretty easily IMO
- 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM
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Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way.
- 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM
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Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way.
- 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM
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Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is.
- 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM
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The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM*
- 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM
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of course it does
- 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM
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That's not how it happens in New Spring.
- 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM
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that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS)
- 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM
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That's nonsensical.
- 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM
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It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization"
- 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM
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About splitting weaves 14 ways
- 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM
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Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways
- 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM
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Can you provide that quote?
- 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM
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Re: Can you provide that quote?
- 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM
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Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows.
- 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM
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there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved.
- 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM
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That's the nature on the weaving.
- 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM
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Not really
- 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM
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Yes, really
- 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM
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Re: Yes, really
- 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM
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Re: Yes, really
- 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM
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Re: Yes, really
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Re: Yes, really
- 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM
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Re: Can you provide that quote?
- 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM
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1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows
- 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM
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Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM*
- 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM
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IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill
- 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM
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so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia.
- 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM
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It's a lone example contested by many other examples
- 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM
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the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien
- 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM
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Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien
- 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM
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from RJs lips to your ears ...
- 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM
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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ...
- 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM
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- 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM
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Re: from RJs lips to your ears ...
- 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM
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- 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM
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... but I can't let this one go...
- 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM
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Hmm...
- 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM
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if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ
- 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM
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i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM*
- 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM
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Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you
- 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM
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Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken?
How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch?
- 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM
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How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch?
- 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM
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I disagree
- 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM
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Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear
- 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM
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Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear
- 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM
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she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing
- 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM
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On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
- 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
- 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM
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Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing...
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but whoever wins
- 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM
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*nods* That's cuz ...
- 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM
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I actually think Lan would win
- 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM
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Agreed
- 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM
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If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM*
- 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM
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I think Lan, hands down.
- 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM
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THANK you.
- 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM
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You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring.
- 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM
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According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once...
- 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM
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Huh ....
- 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM
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Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once...
- 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM
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If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand?
- 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM
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