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the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM
And Verin makes the attempt with Graendal and she barely escapes with her life... RIP Kumira. Rather telling that the least skilled of the title characters (and AS) takes this tactic.

Also, why so many ter'angreal that melt weaves, or warn of danger etc... if all a woman really needed to survive during the breaking was a good strong angreal so she could overwhelm any attacker?

You think like the AS ... Strength is all that matters, it's rather laughable how much they rely on strength. I think RJ instituted the strength hierarchy as simply one more way of illustrating the foolishness of the AS. Sadly it actually seems to discourage AS from learning more about the OP!

Even the Forsaken don't seem all that concerned with Strength, beyond a general notation that the are all incredibly strong. Skill is what they use to differentiate themselves.

Pointing out Egwene's ability to split flows merely highlights her extraordinary skill, it's an example nothing more. But when put in the context of Nynaeve being "clumsy" I think it paints a picture.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2609 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1345 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1238 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1128 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1192 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1106 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1196 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1185 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1211 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1090 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1117 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1212 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1068 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1087 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1049 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 787 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1333 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1026 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1145 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1250 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 946 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1236 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1201 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1153 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1354 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1247 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1176 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1112 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1169 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1723 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1148 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1146 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1049 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1137 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 953 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 850 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1080 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1157 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1046 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1142 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 985 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 720 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 771 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1124 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1047 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1121 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1123 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1025 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1046 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1041 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1042 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1028 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 978 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1124 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1012 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1096 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1103 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1067 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1019 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1080 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1114 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1109 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1008 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1008 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1051 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1023 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1038 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 988 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1044 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1004 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1095 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 696 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1042 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1187 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1074 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1004 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1130 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1116 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1020 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1125 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1031 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1115 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 965 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 967 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1204 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1204 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 997 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1031 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1103 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1034 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1065 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1001 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1001 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1034 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1030 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1034 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1063 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1117 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1045 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 972 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 985 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2283 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1086 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1092 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1027 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 870 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1020 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1070 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1219 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1151 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1085 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1149 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1097 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1060 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 609 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 967 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9599 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1072 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1238 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 937 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1114 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 923 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 704 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 680 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1120 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1103 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1154 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1098 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1094 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1060 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1054 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 703 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1070 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1128 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1082 Views
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