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the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad Send a noteboard - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM
At least, amongst the characters that don't channel that is.

Mat would shred him to bits with that Ashanderei of his, or thunk him silly with a simple staff.

Galad too should be able to beat Gawyn.

But Lan? Nope. Lan is an OLD MAN. Sure, he's badass, but just not fit or quick enough anymore to challenge Gawyn, or Mat or Galad. Heck, I think Perrin could take the old Malkieri too.

Personally, and this will probably get me flamed, I think even Thom Merrilin would be Lan at this point, without the bad leg Thom as of course.

The reason being is that Lan has hit his top potential. He's been as good as he has for better than 25 years. Gawyn, on the other hand, is still getting better. You will notice that Gawyn was able to defeat Hamar, and I don't even think that he was injured. Lan was able to beat Riatan, but he lost his sword in the process and was wounded as well.

The fact that Gawyn is a whiney little child with delusions of thinking he's knowledgeable just absolutely slays me. He insists on believing that his mother was killed by Rand...a rumor that his own love disputes and says isn't true. And then he insists on killing Rand even though doing so would pretty much guarentee the end of creation and the Dark One taking over the entire realm of existance.

Dude needs to learn some priorities.

A good question though would be could Galad still beat Gawyn?

~Jeordam
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2600 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1337 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1230 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1122 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1187 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1101 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1188 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1178 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1204 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1084 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1109 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1206 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1063 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1081 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1042 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 782 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1324 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1018 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1137 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1245 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 938 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1230 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1194 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1146 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1346 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1240 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1169 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1106 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1161 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1716 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1141 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1139 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1042 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1131 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 948 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 844 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1073 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1150 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1039 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1135 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 978 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 716 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 765 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1118 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1040 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1115 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1116 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1019 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1040 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1036 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1035 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1021 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 969 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1119 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1007 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1091 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1094 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1062 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1012 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1074 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1107 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1101 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1002 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1001 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1043 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1017 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1032 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 981 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1039 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 999 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1089 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 692 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1032 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1179 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1069 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 996 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1123 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1108 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1014 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1118 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1024 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1109 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 960 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 960 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1198 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1200 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 990 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1026 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1099 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1029 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1059 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 996 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 992 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1028 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1025 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1029 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1056 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1108 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1039 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 967 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 979 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2276 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1082 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1084 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1021 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 866 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1014 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1063 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1212 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1145 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1079 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1141 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1091 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1053 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 604 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 960 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9594 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1064 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1230 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 931 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1107 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 918 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 701 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 676 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1113 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1097 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1147 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1090 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1086 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1050 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1048 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 699 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1063 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1122 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1077 Views
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