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It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM

Nynaeve and Rand aren't very informed or skilled channelers. They generally learn a few essential weaves and throw everything they have at their enemies. It usually works too.

Moghedien could barely hold back Nynaeve's attacks. Egwene would be smothered. If she wanted to win she'd need to attack first and get Nynaeve on the back foot and rapidly overwhelm her. Once the tables turned, it would be over quickly.


If it was that easy there would be no weak channelers left at all ... and we've already seen Nynaeve have trouble shielding Elayne when she's not full paying attention.


Even if you just look at the cleansing, then Cyndane is an isolated example. Demandred, Aran'gar and Graendal were overwhelmed by circles of lesser skill and similar force.

Battle and dueling are areas where finesse with the Power counts the least. It's mostly about beating up your opponent as quickly as possible.

Egwene's ability to split her flows 14 ways is possibly the most irrelevant thing you could mention regarding her ability to fight Nynaeve. Almost without exception, channelers place their whole potential into a single flow when they're fighting one another. Cyndane even sees how Alivia put her whole strength into a flow which she managed to slice. Do you really think Egwene would start with fancy weaving if Nynaeve sent this sort of assault after her. It was the same with Graendal's attack at the cleansing, and Flinn's.

Even more poignantly, Rand says that he can split his flows a dozen ways or more, but against Lanfear's attacks he needs to put all his power into a single weave strong enough to defend himself.

You can say what you like, but almost without exception, dueling in the series has demonstrated that channelers prefer to crush one another quickly with power. Skill is valuable in any field, but Nynaeve and Rand have managed to overwhelm huge skill by placing their opponents on their back feet and arm wrestling them. Essentially this is all dueling with the Power is in most cases. If a channeler has multiple flows toying around with complex weaves, she's about to lose or is dueling a much weaker opponent where she has that luxury. Winning duelists throw their might at their opponents, try to finish it quickly and don't mess around with complexities - the series has shown that all too well. Even the Forsaken with all their skill and knowledge reduce their dueling to weaves that Aes Sedai and Ash'aman could duplicate i.e. fireballs, shielding, lightning.

Egwene is not superior to Nynaeve in the way that Cyndane was superior to Alivia. Nynaeve may be less skilled than Egwene, but she still has a deadly arsenal at her disposal, is a veteran duelist, and is rabid in her desire to defeat someone once she considers them to be an enemy. To say that Egwene would 'wipe the floor' with Nynaeve is kind of funny. At best it would be an equal fight, and Egwene would have to be very skilled indeed.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2608 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1343 Views
There there - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1234 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1128 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1191 Views
I agree he was much better than before - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1105 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1195 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1183 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1209 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1089 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1115 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1210 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1068 Views
Again, what? When? - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1085 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1048 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 786 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1331 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1024 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1144 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1250 Views
- 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 942 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1234 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1200 Views
I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1152 Views
Re: I agree. - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1352 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1246 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1174 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1110 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1168 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 1722 Views
Totally agree. *NM* - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1148 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1144 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1048 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1135 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 952 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 850 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1079 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1156 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 718 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 770 Views
of course it does - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1123 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1046 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1120 Views
That's nonsensical. - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1122 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1024 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1045 Views
*shrugs* - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1040 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1040 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1026 Views
Right... - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 977 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1123 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1012 Views
Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1095 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1101 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1019 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1079 Views
Not really - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1113 Views
Yes, really - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1107 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1006 Views
Re: Yes, really - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1007 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1049 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1022 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1037 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 988 Views
Re: Yes, really - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1044 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1041 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1185 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1073 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1002 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1129 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1115 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1020 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1123 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1030 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1113 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 963 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 966 Views
... but I can't let this one go... - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1203 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1204 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 995 Views
Hmm... - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1029 Views
I disagree - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1000 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1032 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1029 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1033 Views
lol - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1061 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1116 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1043 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 971 Views
Exactly my point - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 983 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2281 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1086 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1091 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1025 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 870 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1019 Views
Nope - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1068 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1217 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1150 Views
but whoever wins - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1084 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1145 Views
I actually think Lan would win - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1096 Views
Agreed - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1059 Views
I think Lan, hands down. - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 966 Views
THANK you. - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9599 Views
Re: THANK you. - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1071 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1236 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 936 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1111 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 703 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 679 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1118 Views
That can't be right, can it? - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1101 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1153 Views
Huh .... - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1094 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1092 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1056 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1053 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 701 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1069 Views
These are pointless. - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1127 Views
These are scalar comparatives - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1082 Views

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