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the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM
And Verin makes the attempt with Graendal and she barely escapes with her life... RIP Kumira. Rather telling that the least skilled of the title characters (and AS) takes this tactic.

Also, why so many ter'angreal that melt weaves, or warn of danger etc... if all a woman really needed to survive during the breaking was a good strong angreal so she could overwhelm any attacker?

You think like the AS ... Strength is all that matters, it's rather laughable how much they rely on strength. I think RJ instituted the strength hierarchy as simply one more way of illustrating the foolishness of the AS. Sadly it actually seems to discourage AS from learning more about the OP!

Even the Forsaken don't seem all that concerned with Strength, beyond a general notation that the are all incredibly strong. Skill is what they use to differentiate themselves.

Pointing out Egwene's ability to split flows merely highlights her extraordinary skill, it's an example nothing more. But when put in the context of Nynaeve being "clumsy" I think it paints a picture.
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Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) Yondaime - 04/02/2010 10:38:01 PM 2917 Views
Gawyn. *chokes back the vomit that rushes up his throat* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 10:53:37 PM 1656 Views
There there Yondaime - 04/02/2010 11:15:00 PM 1599 Views
Huh? He was even WORSE in TGS. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:14:16 AM 1442 Views
I dunno. He actaully DID stuff this time Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:24:48 AM 1549 Views
I agree he was much better than before darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:39:33 PM 1394 Views
It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Jeordam - 04/02/2010 11:15:19 PM 1615 Views
Re: It pains me to say it, but Gawyn would win. Gerbeaud - 05/02/2010 01:13:52 AM 1522 Views
Gawyn is incredibly irritating Yondaime - 05/02/2010 01:55:40 AM 1511 Views
No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:21:45 PM 1459 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:44:47 PM 1460 Views
Re: No matter how many times people say it, this is still not true. Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 11:53:18 PM 1547 Views
Perhaps the key is that Gawyn is an even more simplistic thinker than Galad. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:20:06 AM 1442 Views
Again, what? When? Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:08:47 AM 1425 Views
Well, the fact that he's had access to one of the best educations in Randland Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:22:28 AM 1384 Views
Completely different subjects, and pretty insignificant, really. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 06:44:35 PM 970 Views
the person to beat Gawyn is Mat imlad - 06/02/2010 06:36:03 AM 1663 Views
Perrin would beat Lan?! *NM* BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:52:47 PM 1350 Views
Sure, Gawyn is better BlackAdder - 05/02/2010 02:26:45 AM 1457 Views
Re: Who would win in a fight? (yes, you read that right! ) MissKoalaVB - 05/02/2010 04:27:16 AM 1600 Views
Yondaime - 05/02/2010 04:47:17 AM 1306 Views
Add Nynaeve and Egwene to the fight, that's something worth seeing then. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 05:20:53 AM 1560 Views
Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:55:51 PM 1520 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/02/2010 05:10:34 PM 1478 Views
Re: I agree. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 05:25:52 PM 1706 Views
You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. Lord Haart - 05/02/2010 07:41:28 PM 1563 Views
Re: You're forgeting Nynaeve's fight vs Trollocs in KoD. darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:42:32 PM 1529 Views
I just mentioned it since you said Egwene had more combat experience. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:21:38 AM 1454 Views
I think you are missunderstanding me darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 02:04:13 AM 1517 Views
Re: Egwene would hand Nynaeve her ass Datakim - 05/02/2010 07:49:27 PM 2065 Views
Totally agree. *NM* Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 07:52:48 PM 1451 Views
yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:41:09 PM 1470 Views
Re: yet RJ has told us that Nynaeve would barely pass the AS test Datakim - 05/02/2010 10:00:11 PM 1368 Views
Nynaeve might have trouble... Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:24:56 PM 1489 Views
That's not what RJ said. He said Nynaeve would be a little hard pressed Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:18:42 PM 1264 Views
she might be a little hard pressed to pass a test she should pass without thought! darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:56:38 PM 1177 Views
Moiraine was hard pressed to pass, and she practiced for ages and is the #1 Battle AS. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:27:26 PM 1399 Views
she passed pretty easily IMO darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:12:13 PM 1495 Views
Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:40:45 AM 1350 Views
Re: Just like Be'lal did? And Lanfear's already learned that lesson the hard way. darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:52:40 AM 1453 Views
Yes, but choosing the time to attack is part of how good a fighter someone is. Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:30:55 PM 1340 Views
The test for the Shawl has little to nothing to do with channeling, you know this right? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/02/2010 10:23:16 PM 880 Views
Are you being serious? *NM* Sidious - 06/02/2010 08:57:33 AM 916 Views
of course it does darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:48:41 PM 1467 Views
That's not how it happens in New Spring. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 07:00:52 PM 1334 Views
that's because Moiraine trained and is relatively skilled (for AS) darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:05 PM 1473 Views
That's nonsensical. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 09:02:13 PM 1473 Views
It's what RJ said ... "too much specialization" darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:14:38 PM 1360 Views
Well, if RJ said it, I guess it must be true. Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 11:17:19 PM 1436 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 12:59:00 AM 1350 Views
Towers of Midnight spoilers: Fanatic-Templar - 09/11/2010 05:29:05 AM 1401 Views
Re: That's not how it happens in New Spring. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:28:52 PM 1354 Views
Right... Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 08:58:04 PM 1278 Views
About splitting weaves 14 ways Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 10:55:28 PM 1459 Views
Re: About splitting weaves 14 ways Datakim - 05/02/2010 11:08:50 PM 1316 Views
Can you provide that quote? darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 07:34:49 PM 1411 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 08:19:08 PM 1451 Views
Yup, plus those were complex weaves that may have required multiple flows. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:30:52 PM 1418 Views
there is nothing to say that multiple weaves are involved. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:16:29 PM 1341 Views
That's the nature on the weaving. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:24:39 PM 1405 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:46:52 PM 1438 Views
Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 10:55:22 PM 1428 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:29:17 PM 1393 Views
Re: Yes, really Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:48:14 PM 1334 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 12:18:12 AM 1410 Views
Oh! Forgot another analogy Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:13:27 AM 1343 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 01:46:14 AM 1370 Views
Re: Yes, really Datakim - 07/02/2010 01:59:44 AM 1300 Views
Re: Yes, really Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:36:48 PM 1365 Views
Re: Can you provide that quote? Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:14:24 PM 1350 Views
1 Blossom = 1 Weave ... there is nothing to say that each thread requires splitting flows darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:48:11 PM 1451 Views
Fine, I used the word weave when I should have used flow. 36 flows to create 12 weaves. *NM* Datakim - 06/02/2010 10:57:09 PM 848 Views
IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:01:23 AM 1394 Views
Re: IMO fighting with the Power has little to do with skill Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:29:06 AM 1505 Views
I agree ... it's much like Rand's approach to Graendal darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:51:17 PM 1393 Views
so you've learned nothing from Cyndane v. Alivia. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:45:19 PM 1346 Views
Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:33:08 PM 1467 Views
Re: Cyndane v. Alivia are probably of similar strength. darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:17:40 PM 1435 Views
It's a lone example contested by many other examples Sidious - 07/02/2010 09:53:51 AM 1395 Views
the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:43 PM 1465 Views
Re: the only dueling where a channeler tries to overpower is Nynaeve v. Moghedien Sidious - 07/02/2010 04:25:57 PM 1368 Views
from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:55:27 PM 1426 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 08:04:57 PM 1298 Views
Re: from RJs lips to your ears ... darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 08:20:31 PM 1265 Views
... but I can't let this one go... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:09:04 PM 1534 Views
Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:16:30 PM 1537 Views
Re: Thank you Robert, Sidious, Jordan Sidious - 08/02/2010 09:43:15 AM 1366 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:05:00 PM 1343 Views
if you had points worth responding too I would ... as always you fall back on pretending you are RJ darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:07:37 PM 1457 Views
i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you *NM* Sidious - 07/02/2010 11:11:55 PM 1346 Views
Re: i.e. I back up my points by using RJ's written words and their validity irritates you darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 11:18:49 PM 1395 Views
Yeah, what's a couple of fights with a Forsaken? How's Egwene without her sa'angreal crutch? Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:40:13 PM 1330 Views
I disagree Kieran - 06/02/2010 05:30:40 AM 1335 Views
Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 05:46:27 PM 1383 Views
Re: Egwene never even got into that fight and we are talking about Lanfear Kieran - 06/02/2010 08:23:20 PM 1378 Views
she got hit with a pain weave before she did a damn thing darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 09:21:11 PM 1362 Views
lol Kieran - 07/02/2010 01:55:18 AM 1372 Views
Go look below at some of the quotes I've provided darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:59:51 AM 1449 Views
If the Power was used, I would agree BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:59:14 PM 1379 Views
On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2010 10:43:43 PM 1315 Views
Exactly my point darius_sedai - 06/02/2010 10:49:49 PM 1347 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 11:12:27 PM 2709 Views
plenty of evidence that Nynaeve is unskilled outside of Healing darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:21:20 AM 1459 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:02:40 AM 1397 Views
There was one other very skilled Healer in the series... Lord Haart - 07/02/2010 06:44:41 PM 1348 Views
I'm sure she could if she bothered to train darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 06:57:17 PM 1224 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... Datakim - 06/02/2010 11:15:59 PM 1385 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:26:19 AM 1456 Views
Re: On the whole Egwene vs. Nynaeve thing... fionwe1987 - 07/02/2010 08:21:19 AM 1580 Views
Egwene and Nynaeve had already confront each other Elvira_Sedai - 07/02/2010 08:45:23 AM 1512 Views
but whoever wins fistofpainx - 05/02/2010 04:54:52 AM 1442 Views
*nods* That's cuz ... Yondaime - 05/02/2010 05:26:57 AM 1500 Views
I actually think Lan would win darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 04:57:24 PM 1424 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 05/02/2010 08:22:26 PM 1387 Views
If it was for "real" Lan wins, in practice ... Gawyn could be the superior *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2010 09:43:20 PM 754 Views
I think Lan, hands down. Skeeve the Great - 05/02/2010 03:30:20 PM 1262 Views
THANK you. Cannoli - 05/02/2010 11:41:43 PM 9923 Views
Re: THANK you. Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 06:26:04 AM 1361 Views
Gawyn and Galad have become tough Sidious - 06/02/2010 09:04:25 AM 1560 Views
Re: Gawyn and Galad have become tough Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 09:31:51 AM 1248 Views
Gawyn is destined to protect the Great Mother ( Egwene ) Elvira_Sedai - 05/02/2010 04:11:51 PM 1456 Views
You forgot that the Warder Matched Lan A LONG time ago. Lan stopped sparring. amirebram - 05/02/2010 08:42:49 PM 1287 Views
Hopper!!!!! *NM* NaClH2O - 06/02/2010 12:21:25 AM 874 Views
Hasn't Hopper already lost in a fight? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/02/2010 01:48:19 AM 831 Views
According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Etzel - 06/02/2010 08:55:50 AM 1451 Views
That can't be right, can it? BlackAdder - 06/02/2010 05:51:04 PM 1426 Views
Even in NS only Ryne is known to be better than Lan darius_sedai - 07/02/2010 01:57:29 AM 1486 Views
Huh .... Yondaime - 06/02/2010 06:23:10 PM 1423 Views
I don't recall Rand loosing to Riatin. Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 06:39:31 PM 1404 Views
Well, to be fair, the text doesn't mention much Yondaime - 07/02/2010 12:48:59 AM 1370 Views
Re: According to the Theoryland database RJ apparently said once... Gerbeaud - 06/02/2010 06:28:15 PM 1384 Views
"Gawhine"... I like it. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/02/2010 08:40:32 PM 854 Views
If Gawyn is the best because he defeated two Warders, what about Rand? Skeeve the Great - 06/02/2010 09:15:34 PM 1382 Views
These are pointless. Heiko - 09/02/2010 12:52:21 AM 1428 Views
These are scalar comparatives JasonD - 24/02/2010 09:45:11 PM 1393 Views
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