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Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM
She would never have shown him her real hideout. The "palace" clearly isn't Natrin's Barrow, but that does NOT indicate that she wasn't at Natrin's Barrow in any way. The other palace was just a ruse to fool Sammael (and perhaps Ituralde as well).

Plus your point about Compulsion actually verifies Graendal's presence - who else could weave such complex Compulsion on Ramshalan? It may not have been subtle but it was clearly complex enough to shock Nynaeve.



I doubt that's really likely. He swung in for visits a little too often for her to have been able to pull it off, not to mention her own thoughts when here match the description of the palace Sammael visted:

ACoS
Spears

She opened a gateway to her palace in Arad Doman, to the long columned room where she could see her pets frolicking in the pool.

As for the Compulsion, note that it's different than the Compulsion on Kerb. Who's to say one of her many slaves isn't a Channeler that she taught to impersonate her?
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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 2007 Views
I brought all this up before.. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 902 Views
Glad it's been brought up before darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 844 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . Palatine - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 875 Views
I don't see problems Skeeve the Great - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 906 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 875 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 763 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 868 Views
I don't think so. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 827 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 727 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 764 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 792 Views
He used scouts to find the place? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 738 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 772 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 793 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 774 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? JasonD - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 701 Views
More... Kieran - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 808 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* everynametaken - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 355 Views
seems like pretty big differences darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 746 Views
Not really. everynametaken - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 733 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 753 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 915 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 841 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 807 Views
Any number of things are possible darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 752 Views
You don't get it. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 759 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 863 Views
There aren't, really. DomA - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 711 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 825 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name Voscaia Sedai - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 814 Views
There are infinite possibilities darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 815 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 780 Views
*sigh back* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 841 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. Fanatic-Templar - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 781 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* Libby - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 398 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 781 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 769 Views
This from you? HA! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 782 Views
Look, Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 860 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 753 Views
The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long... Libby - 15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM 804 Views
I'm glad... Jeordam - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 802 Views
I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM* darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM 359 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 858 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... Jeordam - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 724 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 990 Views
The quote is in my original post! darius_sedai - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 729 Views
Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM 381 Views
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