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Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM
She would never have shown him her real hideout. The "palace" clearly isn't Natrin's Barrow, but that does NOT indicate that she wasn't at Natrin's Barrow in any way. The other palace was just a ruse to fool Sammael (and perhaps Ituralde as well).

Plus your point about Compulsion actually verifies Graendal's presence - who else could weave such complex Compulsion on Ramshalan? It may not have been subtle but it was clearly complex enough to shock Nynaeve.



I doubt that's really likely. He swung in for visits a little too often for her to have been able to pull it off, not to mention her own thoughts when here match the description of the palace Sammael visted:

ACoS
Spears

She opened a gateway to her palace in Arad Doman, to the long columned room where she could see her pets frolicking in the pool.

As for the Compulsion, note that it's different than the Compulsion on Kerb. Who's to say one of her many slaves isn't a Channeler that she taught to impersonate her?
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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 1946 Views
I brought all this up before.. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 842 Views
Glad it's been brought up before darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 780 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . Palatine - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 816 Views
I don't see problems Skeeve the Great - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 848 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 799 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 708 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 808 Views
I don't think so. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 767 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 663 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 705 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 720 Views
He used scouts to find the place? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 682 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 706 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 728 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 719 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? JasonD - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 639 Views
More... Kieran - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 759 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* everynametaken - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 325 Views
seems like pretty big differences darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 686 Views
Not really. everynametaken - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 668 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 687 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 864 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 778 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 745 Views
Any number of things are possible darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 692 Views
You don't get it. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 687 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 795 Views
There aren't, really. DomA - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 646 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 759 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name Voscaia Sedai - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 752 Views
There are infinite possibilities darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 755 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 718 Views
*sigh back* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 751 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. Fanatic-Templar - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 713 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* Libby - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 372 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 717 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 710 Views
This from you? HA! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 718 Views
Look, Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 792 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 688 Views
The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long... Libby - 15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM 745 Views
I'm glad... Jeordam - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 738 Views
I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM* darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM 337 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 785 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... Jeordam - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 652 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 926 Views
The quote is in my original post! darius_sedai - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 668 Views
Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM 345 Views
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