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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM
Sammael is at Graendal's hideout in this chapter and makes some interesting observations...

LoC
Threads Woven of Shadow

It never ceased to amaze him that she chose to remain here in a palace well known across Arad Doman, with civil war and anarchy all around her.

So according to him her palace is well known across AD... compare that to Rand's comments.

TGS
A Force of Light

Among the general Domani populace, Natrin's Barrow has been largely forgotten.

Something of a disconnect. Then there is this other interesting observation Sammael makes about Graendal

LoC
Threads Woven of Shadow

She liked her comforts, and never wanted to expend much effort to keep them, yet this palace was in sight of the Mountains of Mist, and considerable work was necessary to keep the turmoil away from her, to keep anyone from asking where the former owner had gone, along with his family and servants. Sammael would not be surprised if every Domani who visited here left believing that this land had been handed down in her family since the Breaking.

Funny that it took Rand no time at all to discover something odd about Natrin's Barrow...

TGS
A Force of Light

The King fell, but his successors also used the fortress, and it became a popular retreat for the Crown when the King needed relaxation. The practice dwindled during the last hundred years or so, until it was granted to a distant cousin of the King about fifty years back. Their family has used it ever since.

And then there is this final tidbit about Graendal that Sammael gives us...

LoC
Threads Woven of Shadow

She used Compulsion so often like a hammer that one might forget that she could wield the weaker forms of it with great delicacy, twisting a mind’s path so subtly that even the closest examination might miss every trace of her.

Yet her Compulsion of Ramshalan (and Kerb's earlier for that matter) stood out quite obviously...

TGS
A Force of Light

Nynaeve walked over to Ramshalan and looked at him for a moment. She hissed and said, "Yes. Rand, he's under a heavy Compulsion. There are a lot of weaves here. Not as bad as the chandler's apprentice, or maybe just more subtle."

Big discrepancies IMO between information we had been given earlier and what now seems to have taken place in TGS. I'm beginning to wonder if Rand even BF'd the right place!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 2038 Views
I brought all this up before.. - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 921 Views
Glad it's been brought up before - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 870 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 897 Views
I don't see problems - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 930 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 895 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 782 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 894 Views
I don't think so. - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 853 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 751 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 787 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 818 Views
He used scouts to find the place? - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 757 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 797 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 817 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 798 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 729 Views
More... - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 837 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 365 Views
seems like pretty big differences - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 770 Views
Not really. - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 757 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 772 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 934 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 864 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 832 Views
Any number of things are possible - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 781 Views
You don't get it. - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 782 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 887 Views
There aren't, really. - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 732 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 849 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 846 Views
There are infinite possibilities - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 848 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 806 Views
*sigh back* - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 874 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 801 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 415 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 801 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 791 Views
This from you? HA! - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 805 Views
Look, - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 886 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 782 Views
I'm glad... - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 824 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 879 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 748 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1016 Views
The quote is in my original post! - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 753 Views

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