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I think that I have my names mixed up.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM
And as for Ramshalan, why would it even matter? I'm pretty certain that any level of Compulsion could be detected by delving, but few characters are delved. I mean Elza is a far more likely target for suspicion but even she isn't put under suspicion. So I think it's more likely that Graendal was trying to play games with Rand and instead fell for a larger ploy.

As for Kerb, I think that it's far more likely that he was simply following his programming in a way that Graendal could not anticipate. Its a lot like programming software - you can write the most complex software in the world, and it can STILL display emergent behaviours and lead to unintended consequences.


Ramshalan was the nobel right? He was definately going to get delved. A nobel who was supposed to go to some out of the way palace to talk with another nobel? Oh, and by the way, he was dropped off using the One Power. Yeah...he's totally gonna get delved. And besides which, you don't need to wipe the guy's mind to get him to do what you want.

Kerb...is he the chandler guy? The kid who was killing people? Ok, he was definately not likely to get delved...as he was very nicely planted in that jail. And planted to the point that not even the guards knew what he was really up to. He definately needed to be erased & built back up. That is something that would definately take Graendal's ability.

However all that being said, Graendal's ability with Compulsion cannot be overlooked. She is the best, and is often described by the other Forsaken as having a Talent in that area. She can use the hammer if necessary, but also can work it so subtle that no one would notice.

~Jeordam
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Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
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Additional clues that something doesn't quite add up in Graendal's death darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 03:34:43 PM 2059 Views
I brought all this up before.. fionwe1987 - 13/02/2010 04:52:39 PM 944 Views
Glad it's been brought up before darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 04:57:11 PM 886 Views
Assuming it's not her hideout . . . Palatine - 13/02/2010 05:47:22 PM 923 Views
I don't see problems Skeeve the Great - 13/02/2010 06:03:41 PM 953 Views
Also, Rand had to do some heavy research with the head librarian beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 07:15:27 PM 921 Views
no, Rand just sent a few scouts darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:56:33 PM 802 Views
"Well known" and "largely forgotten" are about as opposite as you can get! darius_sedai - 13/02/2010 11:44:39 PM 921 Views
I don't think so. Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 04:28:04 PM 873 Views
so now she's been there for the last 50 years? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:41:43 PM 781 Views
Re: so now she's been there for the last 50 years? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 06:29:32 PM 816 Views
you mean the scouts he sent? darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:52:59 PM 840 Views
He used scouts to find the place? Skeeve the Great - 14/02/2010 07:07:16 PM 781 Views
probably, but that doesn't make a difference. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 08:33:35 PM 823 Views
Re: probably, but that doesn't make a difference. Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 08:10:47 AM 846 Views
I agree - those are basically antonyms RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 06:35:31 PM 825 Views
Like rotary phones, Milli Vanilli and the Macarena? JasonD - 23/02/2010 12:22:47 AM 750 Views
More... Kieran - 13/02/2010 07:37:45 PM 862 Views
Or it could be due to two different authors writing the story and nothing else. *NM* everynametaken - 14/02/2010 12:22:27 AM 376 Views
seems like pretty big differences darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 12:26:42 AM 789 Views
Not really. everynametaken - 15/02/2010 03:29:39 AM 784 Views
it's Maria's job to find these things darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 04:43:33 AM 800 Views
Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 03:45:23 AM 961 Views
Re: Seems absolutely obvious to me - she was tricking Sammael. darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:08:38 PM 893 Views
Fine, then what if she changed location after Sammael was compromised? Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:46:52 PM 852 Views
Any number of things are possible darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:45:35 PM 805 Views
You don't get it. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:10:33 PM 804 Views
Go re-read it... I said there are discrepancies between what Sammael said and what Rand said darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:54:43 PM 915 Views
There aren't, really. DomA - 14/02/2010 09:56:53 PM 757 Views
so you think a kid who has likely never even seen a map knows the name of a castle darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 10:09:55 PM 874 Views
Two possibilities how Kerb knew the name Voscaia Sedai - 15/02/2010 09:04:14 AM 872 Views
There are infinite possibilities darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 12:48:23 PM 870 Views
Re: There are infinite possibilities Lord Haart - 15/02/2010 05:51:24 PM 849 Views
*sigh back* darius_sedai - 15/02/2010 06:08:28 PM 903 Views
Kerb wasn't planted by anyone. Fanatic-Templar - 15/02/2010 06:41:18 PM 839 Views
She's dead, people need to move on. *NM* Libby - 14/02/2010 07:34:31 AM 423 Views
I acknowledge that it's possible (even likely) that she is dead darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 01:09:53 PM 826 Views
Graendal is Toast with a capital T. Not possibly dead, not likely dead, 100% gone. Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 04:48:09 PM 814 Views
This from you? HA! darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 05:44:16 PM 828 Views
Look, Lord Haart - 14/02/2010 06:02:32 PM 915 Views
seriously I think you are mistaking me for another poster darius_sedai - 14/02/2010 06:58:47 PM 797 Views
The discrepancies are due to the series being over 12 books long... Libby - 15/02/2010 08:59:24 PM 862 Views
I'm glad... Jeordam - 15/02/2010 10:07:06 PM 849 Views
I'm with you on her probably being dead only because it's so close to the end *NM* darius_sedai - 16/02/2010 01:30:42 AM 386 Views
Why was Kerb highly likely to be delved? Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 06:42:37 AM 901 Views
I think that I have my names mixed up.... Jeordam - 16/02/2010 04:17:46 PM 774 Views
Re: I think that I have my names mixed up.... Lord Haart - 16/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1062 Views
The quote is in my original post! darius_sedai - 23/02/2010 12:30:14 PM 775 Views
Yes; but those pieces of evidence basically separate the 2 schools of thought on her "death scene" *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 03:59:41 PM 409 Views
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